Speaker:   I will now call this House to order. We will proceed at this time with prayers.

Speaker:   We will proceed at this time with the Order Paper.

Tributes.

Introduction of visitors.

Mrs. Peter:   I’d like to ask members of this House to please help me make welcome my husband, Ernie Peter, who is with us in the gallery today.

Speaker:   Are there any returns or documents for tabling?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   Mr. Speaker, pursuant to section 5(b) of the Education Act, I have for tabling the 2001-02 Public School Branch Annual Report.

Speaker:   Are there any other returns or documents for tabling?

Are there any reports of committees?

Are there any petitions?

Are there any bills to be introduced?

Are there any notices of motion?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   I give notice of the following motion:

THAT it is the opinion of this House that

(1) the placer mining industry in the Yukon is of special significance to the territory, having helped create the territory as a separate jurisdiction in Canada in 1898, and remains an economic mainstay to this day over 100 years later;

(2) the Yukon placer authorization signed in 1993 was established to enable the placer mining industry to continue operations while protecting and preserving fish habitat for a decade;

(3) the recent decision by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to phase out the Yukon placer authorization was made without proper consultation and failed to meet the consultation requirements of Yukon First Nation land claims and self-government final agreements; and

(4) the decision failed to give due consideration to all relevant information about the economic and social impact on Yukon people and their families, or on the Yukon’s economy as a whole; and

THAT this House urges the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans to keep the existing Yukon placer authorization in place until proper consultation has taken place on a replacement authorization that achieves the objectives of protecting fish habitat without jeopardizing responsible placer mining.

Hon. Mr. Lang:   Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources, I would like to make a few comments in support of the motion presented to us on the —

Some Hon. Member:   Point of order.

Speaker:   Order please. Member for Kluane, on the point of order.

Mr. McRobb:   I believe this opportunity is out of order.

Speaker:   This opportunity is out of order.

Are there any further notices of motion?

Mr. Hardy:   I give notice of the following motion:

THAT it is the opinion of this House that

1. public/private partnerships in the construction of public infrastructure frequently favour the private partner while imposing an unnecessary long-term burden on the public purse;
2. private, for-profit operation and management of publicly funded facilities lead to increased pressure for lower standards of training, as well as reduced wages, benefits and safety standards for workers;
3. this pressure can ultimately result in a lower quality of services to the public; and
4. international trade agreements prohibit governments from reasserting public ownership and management of facilities once a private sector option has been adopted; and

THAT this House opposes the privatization of publicly funded facilities and urges the Government of Yukon to exercise extreme caution before entering into any public/private partnerships for the construction of public infrastructure, such as highways, bridges or buildings.

Speaker:   Are there any further notices of motion?

Mr. Rouble:   I give notice of the following motion:

THAT it is the opinion of this House that the Government of Yukon should implement an action plan to deal with fetal alcohol spectrum disorder that includes the following:

(1) promoting prevention programs to eliminate alcohol consumption by high-risk parents in order to foster the birth of healthy babies;

(2) establishing a system of early diagnosis of FASD before the age of six;

(3) supporting people and families with FASD through a wide range of services such as professional counselling and foster homes in order to provide a stable, nurturing home environment;

(4) enhancing supported living arrangements for adults with FASD; and

(5) forming a diagnostic team of professionals trained in personal counselling and social work/health to provide services to Yukon schools in order to provide support for FASD students and their families.

Speaker:   Are there any further notices of motion?

Ms. Duncan:   I give notice of the following motion:

THAT it is the opinion of this House that

(1) the previous Liberal government made a substantial financial contribution to the aboriginal achievement awards;

(2) such awards recognize the significant national contribution of the Yukon’s aboriginal leaders; and

THAT this House urges the current Yukon Party government to reconsider its decision to withdraw financial support for the aboriginal achievement awards and assist in the celebration of aboriginal achievement as other provinces and territories and previous governments have done.

Speaker:   Are there any further notices of motion?

Are there any statements by ministers?

This then brings us to Question Period.

Mrs. Peter:   My question today is for the Minister of Justice.

Mr. Speaker, on January 17 of this year, the minister made an announcement that the plans to build the Whitehorse Correctional Centre will be delayed for one year. One month later, on February 17, the Premier’s news release announced a very different plan, with signing a memorandum of understanding with Kwanlin Dun First Nation.

Was the Minister of Justice and her department involved in this decision-making process?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I appreciate the question from the member opposite. You’re absolutely correct. In January, I believe it was, I had made the initial announcement to postpone the construction project of the redevelopment of the Whitehorse Correctional Centre. It was shortly thereafter we were approached by Kwanlin Dun First Nation to become involved with Kwanlin Dun in the redevelopment project. We proceeded in this manner, and shortly thereafter, the Premier struck a memorandum of understanding with Kwanlin Dun First Nation, and the signing took place. It was very well-received. So, yes, I certainly was involved.

Mrs. Peter:   Mr. Speaker, the news release on February 17 informs us also that one part of this MOU with the First Nation and the Yukon government has agreed to work with other First Nations to review, design and develop programs for the Whitehorse Correctional Centre. Will the minister tell us which other First Nations were involved at this negotiation table?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   First of all, the memorandum of understanding is an agreement of intent between our government and Kwanlin Dun First Nation on a government-to-government basis. The MOU does state that all Yukon First Nations, in conjunction with Kwanlin Dun First Nation and other stakeholders, will be fully involved in the programming options. We happen to think that this is a very good step in the right direction. We happen to think that by involving Yukon First Nations in the programming options we can only benefit by way of delivery of corrections in the territory.

Mrs. Peter:   One of the repeated commitments of this Yukon Party government is to properly consult with Yukon people before any major decisions are made. First, this was a one-year delay. Then after the news release, with a big announcement, there was silence — there was no new information made available. This definitely raises questions, confusion and uncertainty for the people of the Yukon public.

Can the minister please tell us what progress has been made to date?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Once again, I believe that we are making progress on this issue. I think that within the three months that this government has served in office, we’ve made incredible strides in corrections here in the territory. I think that involving Yukon First Nations as a full partner in the delivery of corrections is a good thing. I believe that Kwanlin Dun First Nation has just recently issued letters of invitation to all Yukon First Nations inviting them to take part in these discussions. So I believe that there certainly is a lot of progress on this front. Negotiations will soon be underway with Kwanlin Dun First Nation, and that will certainly set the framework for the discussions to begin.

Mr. Fairclough:   My question could be answered by a couple of different ministers, either the Minister of Environment or the Minister of Health, or even the Minister of Community Services.

On Tuesday of last week, the fourth of this month, 3,500 litres plus of home heating fuel was pumped onto the grounds at the First Nations social services building in Carmacks. This building also houses the community daycare. There is fear that the well water in the area could become contaminated and the employees of that building were asked to leave because of health and safety reasons. I would like to ask the minister what actions he has taken to ensure that the fuel spill is cleaned up as quickly as possible by the company involved.

Hon. Mr. Kenyon:   I can assure the member opposite that the Ministry of Environment has two people from the environmental assessment branch out there monitoring the situation and advising on the situation. But at the moment the matter seems to be between the oil company and the First Nation. It would probably be inappropriate to comment further on that until something develops, but it is being very carefully monitored.

Mr. Fairclough:   The Department of Environment does have a polluter-pay policy. This is a health and safety issue, and it is also a fuel spill in the community. This happened a week ago, and I am sure the department should have acted upon this quite a bit earlier than what it has right now. The company is doing assessment work right now, but one week has passed and the employees are still out of the building. This is an important matter and should be dealt with with the highest priority. The employees want to be back in their building. They want to be assured that they are in a safe environment and the community wants their daycare back. This could take months before they are allowed back into their building. Will the minister treat this matter as a top priority and ensure that the cleanup takes place as quickly as possible? Will he at least do that?

Hon. Mr. Kenyon:   Yes, absolutely. The matter, again, is between the oil company and the unfortunate incident and the band. We are monitoring that, and we give it a very high priority. As the member opposite mentioned in the question, the environmental assessment is already underway and it was started by the oil company.

Ms. Duncan:   Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier and Minister of Finance on new funding for child care workers’ wages.

At a forum held during the recent election, the Premier promised to increase wages for child care workers. The first budget from the Finance minister has come and gone with no increases for child care workers. The government did, however, find new money for a study to look at the issue. They hired a contractor. Can the Premier confirm that the contract was sole-sourced to Mr. Lynn Ogden, a Yukon Party candidate? Could he also table the contract, tell the public how much the contract is for, and perhaps the Premier and Finance minister could advise what qualifications Mr. Ogden has for this contract.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Given that I have the department that oversees this area, I will respond to the leader of the third party’s question.

The Yukon Party government, when they were first elected, recognized the high priority of child care, and an individual was tasked immediately, the first day after we were elected, to consult with all the stakeholders and to ascertain and address the whole issue of child care in the Yukon, and we have an interim report that just crossed my desk. I will be sharing the final report with the House as soon as it has been vetted and we have looked at it as a caucus, but we have not as yet, Mr. Speaker.

Ms. Duncan:   My question was for the Premier in his capacity as Minister of Finance. It had to do with commitments that the now Finance minister made with respect to wages, and I would note that the Health minister has not answered the questions that I asked of the Premier with respect to the sole-source contract.

The budget the government tabled doesn’t contain new money for child care workers — another broken promise. What it does contain is a wage increase for the Premier’s top two political staff. In fact, the government couldn’t wait to give these two top staff appointments — the good old boys — a $20,000 increase each. Why is rewarding the good old boys, the political staff, more important than child care workers?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Given that the question started with the preamble addressing the issue of child care, we might as well stay on the same tack and not allow the member opposite to switch gears in the middle of a question with her supplementary.

The issue of child care is being addressed by our government. The line item for child care in the budget, Mr. Speaker, has an amount there. What I want to share with the House is that there used to be four categories in that line item. There are currently only three, so the amount that’s being funded for child care is not being reduced by our government. In fact, given the federal government’s position and the new money that they are pumping in — and we’ve all heard the announcement about the federal Liberals pumping more money into child care, and it amounts to billions of dollars on the federal level. But what that translates to, by the time it comes to the Yukon — on a per capita basis — is $25,000 of additional funding for child care here in the Yukon for this next year. That’s all it amounts to.

Ms. Duncan:   With all due respect, my first question referenced wage increases. My second question referenced wage increases. Both were commitments by the Premier and Finance minister — one was actions. The questions and supplementary are entirely in order and on the same subject.

On that subject, would the Premier and Finance minister please explain to Yukoners and to the House why, as Finance minister, he has the ability to sole-source contracts for political friends in excess of $200,000 and has the ability to provide wage increases for the top two political staff in the office immediately upon taking office, and yet the Premier and Finance minister — who promised publicly on CBC radio, broadcast throughout the Yukon, a wage increase for child care workers? But no, the government has to study that issue.

Why can the Premier provide wage increases to political friends and the good old boys and not the child care workers?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   First, I think we must correct the record. It’s not the Premier or the Minister of Finance who sets the wage scale or job classifications for Cabinet, caucus and staff. There is a due process for that, and that due process resulted in the wage scale that we have in government. I think it’s a very effective wage scale. The job classifications are very effective. We have a great team involved with us as government, and that’s a positive for all Yukoners.

Secondly, the reference to political friends — let me point out that we haven’t, in the case of the $200,000 contract for First Nation relations, appointed any political friends. It’s a well-known fact that the gentleman in question is a Liberal. So we make no bones about it and we’ll open admit that — so much for that issue.

Now, when it comes to the child care issue, the issue is about fair wages. Under the existing system there are no guarantees that an increase in funding to child care will result in wages in hand for child care workers. Plus there is a plethora of issues involved here and competing interests. Of course we set about getting the information that we require to make informed decisions. That’s what this report is all about. From there, we will proceed to live up to the commitments that we have committed to Yukoners. That’s what government is all about. We don’t make knee-jerk reactions, willy-nilly decisions. We think it through and come up with the right decision the first time.

Mr. Hardy:   My question is for the Premier about his government’s position on the relationship between the public and private sectors. Both the throne speech and his budget speech make much of the need for new partnerships between the territorial government and the First Nation governments, and we can certainly support that position. However, we do have some questions about the role of the private sector in delivering public services, Mr. Speaker.

Will the Premier tell us when he considers it appropriate for private contractors to be involved in providing services that are traditionally the responsibility of the public government?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   I think this is a very good question, a very good point, that the leader of the official opposition has presented here in the Legislature.

To date, there is no privatization, but what we have said is that the private sector will form a component of team Yukon as too will our public service. I think the evidence of those things will come in time as our plan unfolds. Obviously, when it comes to the public service, when we enter into negotiations, that’s where these issues will become evident and as we continue to engage the private sector to help us rebuild our economy. This is very important because, if you really look at the fiscal realities, 50 cents of every dollar of revenue that accrues to the Yukon government comes from income tax. That is why we must engage the private sector and create a return of the population versus the exodus.

Mr. Hardy:   I thank the Premier for that answer. But I’d like to find out a little bit more about that, because I think it is a good question as well — try and understand what the relationship is between private and public and where this government actually stands on that and where they’re trying to take it. It would make it a lot clearer for the people of the Yukon if we knew what that case was.

Will the Premier tell us what type of capital project he has in mind, how many there are or what we’re talking about? Are they highways, schools, possibly a bridge across the river in Dawson City or whatever?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   Well, I can tell the member firstly that we will look at all options, because the territory is at the precipice of needing to look at all options to turn the situation we face around, but I can also tell the member that this government will not contravene a collective bargaining agreement. Now, when you put those two things together, I think it’s clear how we must proceed.

Mr. Hardy:   Once again, Mr. Speaker, we’re hearing the term "precipice", which indicates that we are in a very dire situation. As I said yesterday, that was a big concern for us in conveying that kind of message, as we would hope that this government would be leading in a more positive light and not creating this scenario.

However, I am going to go back to the question I asked earlier. Can the Premier give us some indications about what direction he plans to take any kind of relationships in the private and public — whether it’s the actual construction, whether it’s roads, whether it is actually delivery of services? Because that exists there already in some cases. If the Premier could shed some of that light for us, it would assist us in our understanding of where this government is going.

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   Again, this is a very important line of questioning because it does relate to constructive debate, and I think that is what we have to have more of here in this House. But first let me point out to the leader of the official opposition that we intend to maximize, in what we do with capital expenditure, the return to the Yukon public. Having said that, that must mean that the equation should ensure that we’ve maximized retained spending power. Whatever vehicles that are at our disposal or whatever options are at our disposal to maximize those benefits and retain that spending power for Yukoners is what we will be looking to.

Secondly, we are not presenting doom and gloom here. We are presenting merely the situation the territory is in. Today, well in excess of 80 percent of economic generator dollars in this territory is dependent on government. Less than 20 percent comes from the private sector. We, the Yukon public, do not want to be wards of the southern taxpayer. We want to contribute our fair share to the national stage. We want to develop and grow, and we must have the private sector be a much larger economic generator of dollars in this territory. That is vital to the future.

Mr. McRobb:   My question today is for the Minister of Infrastructure on Shakwak contracting. Last spring the Yukon government awarded the $5.9 million contract for major highway reconstruction to L.N.R. Excavating of Sidney, B.C. This Outside company raised eyebrows when it underbid more experienced Yukon contractors by some $3 million. As the summer wore on, progress on this road section east of Christmas Creek was painfully slow. L.N.R. Excavating was unable to live up to the original terms of the tender and had to be given time extensions. Then it came as no surprise when the news hit last fall that L.N.R. Excavating was past deadline while the job was barely half done. Can the minister confirm that this contractor has now defaulted on the contract and the situation is in the hands of the bonding company?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   That is precisely why bonding is provided on projects of this size. I can assure the member opposite that the bonding company is in charge of this particular application.

Mr. McRobb:   Yukoners have many concerns about what has taken place here. One of those concerns is the state of that half-completed road section during spring breakup. Soon the snow-packed surface of the road will degenerate to mud soup on rock. The government has the responsibility to ensure our roads are maintained in reasonable and safe driving conditions for motorists. Yukoners need some assurance in this matter. The Alaska Highway is our major international transportation corridor.

Will the minister provide us with that assurance now?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   I assure the member opposite that our staff is working with the bonding company to ensure that proper steps are taken to ensure that safety is provided on that road.

Mr. McRobb:   There’s a lesson to be learned here, Mr. Speaker. We, as Yukoners, must do whatever possible to minimize the chances of Yukon contractors losing these contract awards. That said, I want to ask the minister about another Shakwak contract being tendered now for the reconstruction of the section from Duke River to Burwash Creek.

The closing date was March 6 but, on the very day before the tender bid process closed, the Yukon government changed the tender and extended the bid period for another week; therefore, the government has allowed Outside contractors more opportunity to submit their bids.

Yukon jobs are at stake here. How can this minister possibly allow that to happen?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   The addition of the one week was based on a request from one of the applicants for the additional time period.

Mr. Cardiff:   My question is for the Minister of Community Services. On February 20, the minister’s department wrote residents in the area affected by the Whitehorse Copper development. That letter said, in part, that a screening may be required under the Yukon Environmental Assessment Act, post-devolution, April 1, 2003. Residents are concerned that the government is rushing this development to avoid a year review. Will the minister assure the House that his department will not ram through the Whitehorse Copper development so as to avoid a year review?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   This government has put a hold on the particular development pending the results provided by the consultation on January 8. We did provide our results to the applicants of that area. They have asked us for some additional time to review our documentation and we are honouring that process.

Mr. Cardiff:   So, I’m not sure whether we got an assurance of whether or not this project will be required to go through the Environmental Assessment Act review process.

I was pleased yesterday to learn that the department had cancelled the open house scheduled for this Thursday. I’m sure the residents appreciate the extra time to go through the information package about this development. However, concerns remain about the scope, the structure and the timeline for the consultation process on the Whitehorse Copper subdivision development. The minister said yesterday that the government is looking at that process. What I’d like to know is: what is the minister doing specifically to ensure that there is a process of real consultation with people affected by this development?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   As I mentioned earlier, we had provided the residents with information regarding the development. They have asked some additional time. We granted their additional time.

Mr. Cardiff:   Mr. Speaker, at least one member opposite campaigned on the promise to stop this project, and yet the government has identified $5.6 million in its capital budget for residential land development, and this has left the people in the community thinking that this is a done deal out there. Will the minister assure the House that no development will begin before his department has consulted properly with the people affected by the development and address their concerns?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   I will address it in the manner that I have previously. They have asked for some additional time to review our proposals, and we are allowing that process to take place. Once we have received that, we’ll get back to them, and we’ll proceed from there.

Mr. Fairclough:   Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education. Mr. Speaker, I was disappointed to learn that, in the Yukon Party budget, the budget for education has effectively been reduced. The Yukon Party promised excellence in education, and how do they start this? They started by cutting the budget. Remuneration for school councils and committees was cut by some 34 percent. If the minister believes in the role of school councils as defined in the Education Act, why did he cut their budget?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   The school councils are extremely important. We believe in local decision making and we will continue to support them. I would like to correct the member opposite. We did not cut the school council funding.

Mr. Fairclough:   I’d ask the minister to read the budget. The Department of Education’s remuneration for school councils and committees was cut by some 34 percent. The minister could not answer the question about why he cut the budget?

The Yukon Party promised to be open and accountable; they promised to consult and, Mr. Speaker, I believe they broke their promise. As a result, there is less money for school councils in this budget.

Why didn’t the minister consult with the Association of School Councils before making this unwarranted budget cut?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   Mr. Speaker, I will reiterate what I said earlier. This is not a cut. Monies are provided for honoraria and secretarial services, or secretary-treasurer support, and we will continue to support the school councils.

Mr. Fairclough:   Well, Mr. Speaker, I’d have to say what I said earlier, too. The minister needs to read his own budget. I’m sure he must have had some input into how the budget was presented in this House, or was he not fighting strong enough for the school councils? They are important. The cuts to school councils have huge implications.

As the member said, these monies go toward honoraria and, of course, to such things as administration costs like bookkeeping and so on. These cuts could mean fewer meetings and less efficiency.

So, what is the minister doing to ensure that school councils will be able to have effective input in the final stages of the Education Act review if and when this takes place?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   This government does support school councils, and it is going to be maintained. We have just basically changed the payment to a top-up formula.

Speaker:   The time for Question Period has now elapsed.

Mr. McRobb:   Pursuant to Standing Order 14.2(3), I would like to identify the items standing in the name of the official opposition to be called on Wednesday, March 12, 2003. They are Motion No. 6, standing in the name of the Member for Whitehorse Centre, and Motion No. 37, standing in the name of the Member for Mayo-Tatchun.

Ms. Duncan:   Pursuant to Standing Order 14.2(3), I’d like to identify the item standing in the name of the third party to be called on Wednesday, March 12, 2003. It is Motion No. 8.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Pursuant to Standing Order 75(2), I wish to inform the House that the House leaders have met for the purpose of achieving agreement on the maximum number of sitting days for the current sitting. The House leaders have agreed that the current sitting should be a maximum of 36 sitting days, with the 36^th sitting day being May 1, 2003.

Speaker:   Accordingly, I declare the current sitting shall be a maximum of 36 sitting days, with the 36^th sitting day being May 1, 2003.

We will now proceed to Orders of the Day.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   On behalf of the House leaders, I would request the unanimous consent of the House to waive the notice provisions of Standing Order 27.1, in order to allow Motion No. 41, standing in the name of the Premier, to be called for debate at this time.

Speaker:   Is there unanimous consent for Motion No. 41 to be called for debate at this time?

Speaker:   Unanimous consent has been granted.

Speaker:   It has been moved by the hon. Premier

THAT it is the opinion of this House that

(1) the placer mining industry in the Yukon is of special significance to the territory, having helped create the territory as a separate jurisdiction in Canada in 1898, and remains an economic mainstay to this day, over 100 years later;

(2) the Yukon placer authorization signed in 1993 was established to enable the placer mining industry to continue operations while protecting and preserving fish habitat for a decade;

(3) the recent decision by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans to phase out the Yukon placer authorization was made without proper consultation and failed to meet the consultation requirements of Yukon First Nations land claims and self-government final agreements;

(4) the decision failed to give due consideration to all relevant information about the economic and social impact on Yukon people and their families or on the Yukon’s economy as a whole; and

THAT this House urges the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans to keep the existing Yukon placer authorization in place until proper consultation has taken place on a replacement authorization that achieves the objectives of protecting fish habitat without jeopardizing responsible placer mining.

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   First let me begin by saying that I am very, very pleased that we have come to this juncture here in the House with all the Members of this Legislative Assembly. I think this is a moment to be marked clearly as an accomplishment for this new Assembly and the members here present in representing our respective constituencies and at the same time representing Yukon’s interests, including what is the most important for us — the public interest.

There is no question that what has happened here is a serious matter for Yukoners. First Nation governments have been completely ignored and neglected in what is the responsibility of the federal government under the final agreements to ensure that the input of those governments are always consistent with the decision-making processes that happen here in this territory. That did not happen with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

Further to that, it has an effect on the Yukon’s public government because if we are to take over on April 1, the management and control of our lands, water and resources, we need to ensure that a department like the Department of Fisheries and Oceans cannot unilaterally influence and implement its decision-making processes from far away without even so much as contacting the public government on what it is they intend to do. This is not a relationship that will provide a productive and constructive association with a federal department once we, the Yukon government, become responsible in all these areas.

So it’s important to us as government to ensure also that we define this relationship and that unilateral action by federal departments that will impact negatively — especially on Yukoners — simply cannot happen.

But most importantly, this is about one of the last bastions of private sector enterprise in the Yukon, one of the cornerstones of our economy, one of the most important elements of our history — it is our culture; it is our heritage; it has been involved with Yukon for over 100 years; it is part of the fabric of this territory, and it was diminished in stature by such a unilateral, draconian measure as brought forward by the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

And I can say that the minister in charge was given what appears to be bad advice. The minister was given information in part — or not the whole equation — so that the minister could make an informed decision on behalf of Yukoners and indeed in his duty as a minister of the Crown for Canada. So that is why we’ve come to this juncture. We have impressed upon this department in Ottawa on all fronts: industry, stakeholder groups, First Nation governments, other orders of government like British Columbia and people in general. There have been countless letters written admonishing the minister, and now today this House has lent its weight, its authority and its ability to impress upon the minister that he must reconsider. We have offered the minister, with this motion which is unanimously supported here, a way to solve his problem and, in doing so, ensure that the impacts of what the department intends to do now and into the future are managed appropriately so that all the ramifications of the decision do not fall on one tiny sector like our placer mining industry but fall on all our shoulders. We will have the responsibility to ensure that we do two things: protect the environment and fish habitat while allowing our placer mining industry to continue in a responsible way.

Again I say, Mr. Speaker, I’m very, very pleased and very, very buoyed by what has taken place with this particular issue by all the members in this Assembly. I commend the opposition for their input. They have strengthened what we, the government side, have previously brought forward. That is what constructive debate is all about. That’s what we need to build upon. This is a great first step, and for all of us here today, I think we should be proud of the decision made in a unanimous manner by every member of this Legislative Assembly. This will send a clear, consistent and strong message to Ottawa that we are a part of their decision-making process.

Thank you.

Mr. McRobb:   We, too, on this side, Mr. Speaker, are very pleased to speak in favour of this motion today. The Premier spelled out the terms of the unanimous agreement on the wording in this motion, and it serves as a very important example for us, as legislators representing all the people in the territory, to come together and form a united front on this matter.

It’s very important for us to send a clear signal to Ottawa that Yukoners, as represented in this Chamber, are united on this matter of such extreme importance to the territory.

The current placer authorization was developed by Yukoners after more than a decade of work through an open process involving stakeholders on all sides of this issue.

On December 16, however, the Yukon placer authorization was chucked aside and in its place the federal government brought in very stringent requirements that will negatively impact the placer mining industry. This decision was unilateral and it failed to involve Yukoners.

Yukon First Nations’ rights were abrogated by the failure to consult them. I’m disappointed that it seems nothing was learned from the recent example of the Mount Trudeau debacle, Mr. Speaker. The UFA in that instance provided Yukon First Nations with the same right to be consulted. It wasn’t until a tremendous uproar from Canadians and from Yukoners brought that oversight to the attention of the federal government that it backed down.

I’m sure this will send another message to Ottawa to abide by the terms and conditions of Yukon laws and to consult whenever required.

At this point, it’s still unknown if the minister will alter his decision, but the inside word is that something positive could be coming out of this soon. Let’s hope so, Mr. Speaker.

Placer mining is an important part of our territory’s history. We owe a lot of our history to the industry. If not for placer mining, the Yukon might not have had its history of paddlewheelers, the Chilkoot Trail and the Klondike Gold Rush. Placer mining is part of our culture, Mr. Speaker. Just visit some of the many museums across the territory and it will be very evident just how important this industry is to the Yukon’s history. The MacBride Museum has an extensive display; the Yukon Transportation Museum; many museums in communities like Dawson City, Mayo, and others have a good part of their displays credited to the mining industry.

The industry is an important contributor to our economy, Mr. Speaker. I think we can all agree that the non-government sectors of our economy need all the help they can get, especially from government. The last thing they need is hindrance and more regulation that will drive them away. If the territory ever hopes to be self-sustaining some day, we have to do what we can to get Yukon businesses on their feet and keep them there.

It’s also a way of life. Placer mining provides the opportunity for ordinary Yukoners to go seek their fame and fortune in the gold fields, its freedom of lifestyle, and many Yukoners have taken up that opportunity for benefit to not only themselves, their families and the communities, but the Yukon economy.

Some of them are still in operation today. The biggest placer miners are Yukon residents. This has been likened to the family farm of the Yukon. We have to do what we can to support this industry.

The New Democrats have a proven track record of recognizing and supporting responsible mining activity in the territory. That is evident throughout our tax laws and programs offered by the Yukon government.

One aspect of this whole issue that is rather convincing is the impact of imposing these federal regulations on the small economy of our territory, as compared to the rest of the country. We need only look at the Maritimes’ oil and gas industry where exceptions to these same rules are allowed by the federal politicians. On the prairies, examples of authorizations exempting the agriculture industry from these same regulations are very evident. On the west coast, the City of Victoria still pumps raw sewage into the Pacific Ocean — that is another exemption to these same rules that the federal government insists must be applied here.

If everyone in the country had to live by the same rules, it would be a lot easier to take. But it seems that because we’re in the upper corner of the country with a relatively small population — 0.1 percent of the country’s population — sometimes our voice is not heard very loudly.

I think that collectively Yukoners can be proud of this united message we’re sending today, that our voices will be heard. We know we’ll be sending a transcript of this motion debate to Ottawa, and we’ll ensure the message gets through.

Hon. Mr. Lang:   Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the opposition House leader.

As the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources, I would like to make a few comments in support of this motion presented to us on the Yukon placer authorization.

I believe everybody in this House understands the history of the gold rush and the placer mining in the Yukon and how important it was in the past, and I think we all understand how important it is today. It is a very large industry for the Yukon, considering the size of the community.

I would like to take a moment and thank everybody in the House for their concerns and their support to the industry, because it’s very important that we’re unanimous on this, because we have to get the ear of the people in Ottawa, and they have to get it loud. So thank you.

This federal Minister of Fisheries compromised a made-in-the-Yukon decision. This process, which we had gone through for 20 years — we were protecting the fish, and we were also being responsible with placer mining. So this decision was a bad decision. The process was bad. It certainly didn’t involve any governments. First Nation governments weren’t consulted; the Department of Indian Affairs was not consulted; the local government was not consulted, even though we are going to take over the management of these resources in three weeks. So this decision has consequences throughout the mining industry, by the way, people. So this is a very important thing to nip in the bud, work together as a unit, and get the thing done.

And I’d like to, again, thank all of you people and all of us in the House for working for this thing, and I think maybe we will be successful.

Thank you.

Hon. Mr. Kenyon:   I would like to spend just a moment to speak in favour of this motion. The lack of consultation in this entire matter was rather staggering to me to think that some of the governments should be working together and in this case they were not. They were completely ignored. It does also bother me that they were ignored and that no one in the Yukon was consulted — that’s actually not true, Mr. Speaker, because there were a few people in the Yukon who were consulted. They expressed an opinion and amazingly changed that opinion very quickly, as soon as the decision came down from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans, and that too is very sad.

The whole issue shows a real lack of understanding in terms of what the implications of this decision are — to meet a standard that can only be met by adding chemicals to the water. As Minister of Environment, that makes no sense to me whatsoever, especially in light of DIAND and other federal government departments that estimate that nearly 56 percent of the placer miners will be put out of business with this decision. It makes absolutely no sense. The impacts on the mining sector, the impacts on the economy of the Yukon, the impacts on the tourism of the Yukon — people come here to see our pristine environment but they also come here to see the gold rush, not only the problems that the gold rush created but in many respects how the industry itself has changed and how it is being done in a better way. It gives me great pleasure to support this motion.

Ms. Duncan:   I rise also in support of this particular motion as have the members done before me. However, I would just like to clarify for the record — the Premier in his speech indicated that it was a rarity that the House had unanimously sent such a strong message. In constructive support of the Premier’s argument, there has actually been one other instance in my term as a member of this House when the House has unanimously stood and sent a strong message and motion to Ottawa, and that was with respect to the Minister of Finance paying an outstanding bill for health issues. There was a motion brought forward — again it was a private member’s motion as opposed to a government motion — and it was unanimously agreed upon by all members of this House. That sent a very, very strong message to Ottawa.

I would say that I appreciate the initiative of all members of the House to work together on this and send, again, a strong message to Ottawa.

There is a point that’s missing in the motion. I’m not proposing an amendment, but I would just like to ensure that it is recorded in Hansard that we recognize, as a House, the work of our Member of Parliament, Larry Bagnell, and in particular our Senator, Ione Christensen, on this subject as well. They have worked tirelessly on this particular issue, representing Yukoners’ viewpoints, and Senator Christensen, in particular, with her experience of having done the inquiry into placer authorization and so on. I’m not proposing an amendment. I would simply like to ensure that Hansard records the recognition of those fellow Yukoners and their initiatives to try and resolve this issue.

There is no question that the members of the Yukon Liberal Party, I, as an elected representative, Jack Cable formerly and Scott Kent in particular, Dale Eftoda with his able chairmanship of the Water Board, and others have a long history and a long support of both the Klondike Placer Miners Association and this particular struggle with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

To borrow a popular expression, now more than ever it’s incredibly important that we, as Yukoners, do support the Placer Miners Association and the placer mining industry in the Yukon in the resolution of their issues with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

I know it’s only maybe some small comfort to Yukoners in that we’re not alone as a jurisdiction. Other provinces have the same issues — and not just the east coast fisheries but even semi-land-locked — Manitoba has significant struggles around Lake Winnipeg with the Department of Fisheries and Oceans as well and has received less than stellar service from the current Minister of Fisheries and Oceans.

So, we recognize their struggle and perhaps their House will do something similar and have a unanimous motion in dealing with this particular minister.

My point, Mr. Speaker, is that, on behalf of the Yukon Liberal Party, and as the representative of the third party in this Legislature, we offer our unanimous support to this motion and pledge our continued support and effort on behalf of the placer mining industry. As I said, we have a long history of working with the association on a variety of issues, in particular this one, and we will continue to do so. I’m pleased to work with my colleagues on this particular matter. I did raise it with the Premier in December, as he had often suggested in the past, from this corner of the House, a high-level delegation to Ottawa. I had indicated to him in a meeting in December that perhaps this would be the issue where such a delegation was required, and I would again indicate that I would be prepared to participate in such a delegation.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I thank the members for their attention and the opportunity to contribute my support to this particular motion.

Mr. Hardy:   It goes without saying that the actions taken by the federal Liberals have caused a tremendous amount of hardship for people of the Yukon. When I talk about hardship, I’m talking about the relationships that we build up here; I’m talking about the ability to work together to find common ground to move forward. What we have seen, through the actions of the federal Liberals, is a move to create a division among the people of the Yukon, not entrusting them with the ability to resolve the issues that we are facing and the problems that we experience in the Yukon and, of course, the problem we’re talking about today, which is the protection of the fish habitat, as well as the ability of Yukon placer miners to be able to stay in their occupation, make a living and support their families and the towns they are often close to.

Now, I stand here today to say very clearly that we cannot ignore the importance of our environment. We cannot ignore the fact that, within our world today, the pressures upon our environment have continued to grow. It has continued to grow because of our actions, our impact upon the earth. However, we cannot also ignore the fact that people should be allowed to make a living. Somewhere among that, we have to find that balance. The balance is to ensure that people can continue to make a living in their chosen professions or trades, but to also ensure that there will be future habitat for our wildlife — our fish — that there will be something there for the next generations.

The other side of it that we also can’t ignore is the fact that there are other economies that are based upon the wilderness, based upon the fish of our world. In this case, we have to be very conscious of the fact that there is subsistence living that people choose to live by. There are fisheries. There are ecotourism operations that bring a substantial amount of money into the territory. We can’t ignore that. So we can’t just take one side and say, "This is right," and we can’t take the other side and say, "That’s right," when we’re trying to find a resolution to it. What we have to do is put up the target — the goal, what we’re trying to achieve — put it up there and work to resolve it and work toward it.

Now, one of the biggest concerns I have had over the actions of the federal government is the anger that has been expressed in one segment of our society toward another segment of our society.

That is a big concern for me, especially if we’re planning to move forward in the territory. We cannot in any way, shape or form continue to grow as a territory if we continue to fight among ourselves. This action has caused that stress; this action has caused the one part of our society that feels very deeply about the environment to now also feel fearful to express their opinion about it because of the poisonous atmosphere that exists today within our society. A lot of that can be pointed directly back to the federal government’s unilateral action over this issue.

I am very, very disturbed, and I feel that if we continue to allow it to grow, it’s not going to be just the conservationists or the environmentalists on one side and the mining industry or mining interests on the other. It’s going to spread into other parts of the debate about how our society is made. It could be with the educators, people who believe that the arts have a role to play in education, to those who believe that the arts are a waste of money, and you get this debate that it’s not based upon shared ideas to find a resolution to move forward but to take positions, take camps. And once you’re in those camps, refusing to move, refusing to leave the camp to come together, work together to resolve the issues — in the last couple years, I have seen this shift in behaviour of the people of the Yukon, and more than anything else, in the last few months it has solidified, and that is a danger that we face as politicians in here — it’s a danger that we face if we contribute to that, if we feed into it.

That’s not our role in here and I’ve said this before but I feel I have to say it again. It is not our role in here to be taking sides and encouraging poisonous debate within our society. I believe our role in here is to bring people together to resolve the issues that we face today, in a manner that best represents the people of the Yukon and finds resolution that people can live with.

In this case, this is a role that we have to play in and, for that very reason, I stand here today to support this motion, because that’s what we have managed to do in the last week — to find some common ground, a motion that was brought forward a week ago, and to find some common ground in our discussions over the last five or six days, to come up with a motion that we can live with and believe will have some impact. We believe it has some reflection of the values of society that recognizes the Yukon placer miners and their history, but also does recognize the importance of protecting the fish habitat. For those very reasons, I stand here today and support this motion.

Speaker:   If the member now speaks he will close debate. Does any other member wish to be heard?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   Well, I think all that needs be said has been said. This is, as I pointed out earlier, a very significant milestone for the Members of this Legislative Assembly. We have shown that we can work together when it comes to issues of public interest, that we can put our collective heads together and come up with a solution. The leader of the official opposition was pointing out the poisonous debate that resulted from this decision in Ottawa. I think that is why the Yukon placer authorization was so important. It removed that kind of debate. It put all the stakeholders at the table and, constructively, they together developed recommendations, solutions and the way forward on behalf of all Yukoners.

So, we’ve not only worked together in this House; we’ve now sent a clear example to Yukoners of working together, on the protection of our environment and habitat and the protection of our industries. The First Nation people extensively work in this industry. They are much sought after because of their knowledge, capacity and the abilities they show in this area. They also have a great deal to offer in the protection of fish habitat because of subsistence living and their long, long history and knowledge.

This decision by DFO removed all of these very important elements. This motion now puts them in the context of this Assembly and our territory back on track. We are united. Let us send that clear message to Ottawa, that this unity is about protecting the public interest, Yukoners’ interests, and representing those interests, as it is our duty and responsibility to do.

From this particular example, I look forward to many others. I think the leader of the third party has pointed out something that is very relevant here. This should be delivered in a way that expresses, at the highest level, what our position is. We will have further discussions on exactly how to do that, when it comes to getting this particular unanimous motion and its decision to Ottawa.

I thank all the members for their input and for their focus and for their living up to our responsibilities here as legislators. This is a great day.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker:   Are you prepared for the question?

Some Hon. Members:   Division.

Speaker:   Division has been called.

Speaker:   Mr. Clerk, please poll the House.

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   Agree.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Agree.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Agree.

Hon. Mr. Kenyon:   Agree.

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   Agree.

Hon. Mr. Lang:   Agree.

Hon. Mr. Hart:   Agree.

Mr. Arntzen:   Agree.

Mr. Rouble:   Agree.

Mr. Hassard:   Agree.

Mr. Cathers:   Agree.

Mr. Hardy:   Agree.

Mr. McRobb:   Agree.

Mr. Fairclough:   Agree.

Mr. Cardiff:   Agree.

Mrs. Peter:   Agree.

Ms. Duncan:   Agree.

Clerk:   Mr. Speaker, the results are 17 yea, nil nay.

Speaker:   The ayes have it. I declare the motion carried.

Speaker:   The Chair wishes to inform the House that Motion No. 5, standing in the name of the Minister of Environment, will be dropped from the Order Paper as it is similar in intent and subject matter to Motion No. 41, which has just been adopted by this House.

Government bills.

Clerk:   Bill No. 4, standing in the name of the hon. Mr. Fentie; adjourned debate, Mrs. Peter.

Mrs. Peter:   It is again my pleasure to respond to the budget speech. I was again encouraged by the commitments that I heard in the throne speech and the budget speech to partner with the Vuntut Gwitchin First Nation to address some of the issues that were outstanding for us. I just want to list off some of those initiatives that were brought forward. One is for the construction of the winter road and a rock quarry. The second is the stabilization of the riverbank. The third is ensuring that the Yukon territorial government has equal travel on Air North, which is Yukon’s airline. And also the support for the Porcupine caribou issues.

Another one of the issues that I would like to address and make some comments on at this time is about the native languages. Throughout the Yukon, we have several different native languages for each region. For the region that I come from, our language is of the Vuntut Gwitchin. A few months ago, I heard about a study that was done in Canada that brought a really, really serious concern to me and many other people throughout the territory. The study gave information about the native languages across Canada — we are in a crisis situation.

There are only two languages that are going to survive this century, and the two languages that are going to survive are Inuktitut and Cree.

Mr. Speaker, I would just like to bring the seriousness of this issue to this House, how important native language is for the Yukon Territory. We live in a very unique situation here where we all live with each other in the various communities throughout the territory and we all have an impact on each other. I know that for the community of Old Crow, there are some non-First Nation students who attend because of their families working in Old Crow. They learn some of our languages, and that has an impact on them for the rest of their lives. They learn to say very simple words like, "Thank you very much", and in our language, how we say that is mahsi'cho. And to address a person and say "How are you?" when you meet them on the street. To that individual, whether of First Nation descent or non-First Nation descent, you are acknowledging that person. In the Yukon Territory, we again live in a unique situation where we all acknowledge each other, and we are different in that way from across Canada — at least I would like to think so.

Another one is the issue around youth. There was a youth conference that was held at the end of January, which I attended, and in the circle discussion that we had, language was one of the highest priorities for them and their connection and relationship with the elders throughout the territory and how much they need to learn in those ways.

Thank you very much.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   I am very pleased to rise in support of the budget that the Minister of Finance, the Premier of the Yukon, presented to this House. On November 4 of this past year, the Yukon Party was provided with a very great mandate to govern. That mandate was predicated on the platform that was advanced by the Yukon Party and that platform was widely accepted. At issue — and the number one issue — was the economy. There has been, over the past several years, an exodus of Yukoners because of lack of employment. Traditionally the resource extraction industry has been the backbone of the Yukon economy. That is no longer the case. The backbone of the Yukon economy currently is government. We are a welfare territory, dependent on the largesse of Ottawa. Virtually 84 or 85 cents out of every dollar that changes hands here in the Yukon originates from Ottawa. It used to be virtually the other way around. The royalties from mineral production here in the Yukon used to be the main economic drivers and the source of revenues not only for Yukon but for Canada. Our government is taking steps to address the issues of the economy to turn it around.

The first area that has to be identified and dealt with is to restore investor confidence. Now that is not going to occur overnight. It is going to take awhile.

The investment climate here in the Yukon is in the backwash of Canada. Indeed, Mr. Speaker, our area has one of the highest resource potentials and is the least attractive to the investment community for the purpose of resource extraction. That said, we will see a continuous process by our Yukon Party government to address these issues and to deal with them.

On April 1, Yukon takes over responsibilities for resource extraction. Under devolution, we will receive the responsibility for Indian and Northern Affairs programs here in the Yukon. I guess we will become the caretakers, because the responsibility will still be vested in Ottawa, subject of course, and always, to the federal Department of Fisheries because they seem to be, more or less, the ruling body here in the Yukon. It’s not the Government of Yukon, it’s not the various agencies of Yukon; it appears more often than not to be the federal Department of Fisheries. Hopefully, by the motion that was presented today and unanimously consented to by this Assembly, we will see that stopped. It’s rumoured that the federal government is purporting to have a Cabinet shuffle, with the federal Minister of Fisheries being replaced. Hopefully, that will occur and will allow the new federal Minister of Fisheries some latitude to address the Yukon placer authorization.

The main industry here in the Yukon for many, many years — and indeed the entire region — came into existence based on the placer mining industry and the subsequent hard rock mining that took place all around the Yukon.

We have so much potential. The resources are still where they were 100 plus years ago when the Yukon was created. We have just tapped the surface of the resource extraction potential here in the Yukon. Also, we have one industry that is sustainable and that is being totally ignored by the federal government, and that is forestry. Here we have the potential for a sustainable industry and yet the federal government has chosen to ignore it and put every impediment in the way of the harvesting of the vast stands of timber.

One only has to go back to the heyday of the Yukon, during the gold rush of 1898, when tremendous tracks of forest were carved down to create barges, boats and houses. In fact, wood was the main construction material; it was used in the mining community for supporting material, shafts, adits. It was used in sluice boxes. It was used to heat — it was the main source of fuel for the longest time here in the Yukon. Indeed, one only has to look at the transportation corridors, the sternwheelers, and see how many cords of wood a sternwheeler burned in an hour of its journey down river, never mind its journey up river.

Mr. Speaker, vast amounts of wood were harvested back in those days, and yet you can go out, and you can run up and down the Yukon River, and you’re hard-pressed to find an area where you can see tracts of forest that have been carved down. You can’t. You can get an idea of where someone has homesteaded or where there’s a campground, but that’s about the extent of it.

Mr. Speaker, I submit we have a tremendous opportunity here in all of the resource extraction areas — forestry and minerals. The other area that is being totally ignored for whatever reason is the oil and gas. One would be of the opinion, given the drilling programs in our neighbouring jurisdictions, that underground, under the Yukon, the pockets of gas, pockets of oil, stop right at our border. That’s very much not the case; but look at the southwestern Northwest Territories and the drilling that is taking place and the vast tracts of reserves that have been proven there, and yet the wells that are in production here in the Yukon and south-eastern Yukon have been in existence for quite some time. We have to change that. We have to restore investor confidence. After all, we have to give the news media something to talk about other than just what the elected officials say on a daily basis. This could be the mainstay of the Yukon. This could contribute to our economic well-being.

And after the issues of rebuilding our economy by restoring investor confidence and getting that area, we would have more money to address our social responsibilities. And one of the main bone of contentions of late is that this government has cut the budget for child care. This budget has also been cut for education. I would encourage the members opposite to examine in detail the line items for these areas, and they will find — if they want to refer to the Department of Health’s budget for child care — that there were four categories in that one line item under the previous administration. Now there are only three. The amount of money that has been earmarked for direct operating grants for child care is consistent with prior years. It is $1,533,000. Our government is committed to providing the best programs in these areas, consistent with what has been established in the past and, in fact, enhancing them as is evident by the pioneer utility grant increase that will encourage seniors to remain in their own homes. Just give them a little bit of extra opportunity to recover a few more dollars. A fixed pension is pretty, pretty hard to deal with in light of the impact on us from escalating fuel costs.

The Yukon today depends primarily on fossil fuels for heating. There are some who have continued to use wood but, by and large, oil and bottled gas or propane are the main heating substances that we burn today.

We know what’s happening currently with the price of oil; it’s going through the roof. That gives rise to another motion that came out of our government that hopefully we will debate in due course and send another very succinct message to Ottawa — hopefully coupled with the other two northern jurisdictions — asking the federal government to remove the goods and services tax from heating oils and heating products north of 60. Together we can accomplish an awful lot. I would encourage the members opposite, when this motion comes forward, to have a serious look at it.

The two prime areas that our government will be concentrating on initially is restoring investor confidence in the Yukon, rebuilding the Yukon economy and sending a message out that we’re open for business once again. Our Yukon Party, after its election, worked long and hard. In a few short months, a capital budget and an O&M budget were created. I applaud all of our caucus for spending the hours and hours and hours of time that were necessary to address the development of a budget and address not only the O&M budget but the capital budget and to stay within limits — it wasn’t an easy task. But it allowed all of us an opportunity to become very conversant with our own departments — very conversant with the expenditures within those departments because we had to undergo the transition from an elected official to basically an administrator — arm’s length from the department and dealing with the general issues while allowing the department to carry forward with the program initiatives that they have in place within the guidelines of the budget that we will put in place.

Mr. Speaker, we were also having to address a serious issue, and that was the spending trajectory that was evident over the previous two administrations. It was virtually unsustainable. I know that in the department I’ve been given the responsibility for, $7 million to $10 million a year in spending trajectory has been the historical track record over the last seven fiscal years that I have been involved in this Legislature.

It amounts to just shy of $30,000 a day for the Department of Health and Social Services as to their increase over the past seven years. That, Mr. Speaker, is not sustainable in light of federal government transfers. The potential for a reduction in transfers under the formula financing on the population census adjustment — yes, we can all laugh, we can all joke about it. But the fiscal realities have set in. We have to work within an existing budget envelope, and we will endeavour to do so to the best of our abilities.

Mr. Speaker, when you look at the initiatives that we as a government have underway, we have planning underway in a multitude of areas under this new budget — health care facilities in both ends of the Yukon, where the second- and third-largest population bases exist, in Watson Lake and in Dawson City — so that we can address the health care needs of seniors, so that we can address the health care needs of the residents in those respective communities.

Mr. Speaker, there’s a lot of good work ahead.

We also are looking forward, as I said earlier, to devolution. Devolution is a done deal, and we are looking forward to the opportunity, Mr. Speaker, to implement the changes. We don’t have a choice. It’s done. We could argue that it should have been done better, but it’s done and we are committed to implementing the changes in the best and fairest way possible.

That commitment extends to the employees who are coming over to the Yukon government. Our commitment to them is to a fair and reasonable treatment. After all, we were told by the previous administration that the transfer was going to be seamless. For a seamless transition, we sure have a lot of issues that have to be addressed, and we sure are having a lot of difficulties with this purported seamless transition. But the issues will be addressed, and those federal employees who are coming over or choosing to come over to Yukon will be treated in the best manner that we possibly can treat them.

One of the other areas that is of major concern and that we will, as a government, be addressing is a very balanced approach to land use planning.

We have a commitment to the special management areas under the final agreements with First Nations and we have already indicated, as a government, that the Yukon protected area strategy is a strategy that was originally brought in by a Yukon Party government, but the process became flawed over subsequent administrations. So with a flawed approach to this process, we really had no choice but to shut it down, to examine it, and I am very, very hopeful that our government will be looking and making announcements in due course as to how we will eventually proceed in this area.

But don’t look for a solution overnight, and I am sure the opposition is going to ask when this game plan is going to be sketched out. Well, it won’t be next week or next month — I can assure the members opposite of that. We have a mandate of four years, and during the course of the four-year mandate, many of these issues will be dealt with, prioritized and brought forward. We have a balanced approach to the agenda before us and, one by one, these issues will be addressed and will be dealt with.

I am not going to go on ad infinitum in my response to the budget, but it is a budget that our government worked long and hard to put together. It addresses as many of the issues as we possibly could address within the budget envelope that we had. It brought down our surplus to an alarmingly low level. The projected surplus will be $1 million. Under the previous administrations, it has been as high as just shy of $100 million.

There’s something wrong with this picture: all of that money has been spent. Where did it go, and what do we have to show for it? It was under two previous administrations, the NDP and the Yukon Liberals. So we are left to put the pieces back together, to restore investor confidence, to rebuild the economy, to generate some additional incomes, to address the social side of the agenda, the Health and Social Services, the education, and everything else. And, in the course of the next four years, Mr. Speaker, we’ll be doing exactly that, because our government is committed to addressing these issues.

Mr. Speaker, I commend this budget to the House. I’m sure at the end of the budget debate that probably even the NDP will agree that it’s a darn good budget and will probably reluctantly vote against it. But we will look forward to see where we’re heading.

So I’d like to thank the House. Mr. Speaker, thank you, merci, mahsi'cho.

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise today in response to the budget speech. I’d like to congratulate the Finance minister on his first budget. The financial situation in the territory is difficult, and he has provided a clear direction forward, a strong balance between stimulation and restraint.

At this time, I would also like to congratulate all of the Finance staff who worked diligently to put this budget together. I believe that every government, whether it be Liberal, NDP or Yukon Party — must develop the trust and faith in the people who administer the money. I also honour their projections regarding the financial situation of this government. I would also say that projections are projections; predictions are predictions. When one makes predictions on where financial situations can go, it’s also not 100 percent. At the end of the day, if the predictions are for better or for worse, it’s still an honest attempt made by the Finance people.

I would like to continue by talking about economic recovery. It is and must be our number one priority. A strong, diversified economy is critical to a prosperous Yukon. A healthy, robust private sector economy that will provide employment and generate additional revenues for the territory is the best and only way to ensure Yukoners will have access to the services they need and want in our communities.

The economy is currently underperforming, but there are opportunities that exist, and we must train to meet those emerging opportunities. Mining, oil and gas and forestry development, together with tourism, offer the greatest potential to advance the economy over the long term. Other sectors providing opportunities to diversify the economy — information technology, service sector, film, arts and culture — are areas where we have some strength on which to build.

Education is the key underpinning to a strong economy. Education is key to helping Yukoners develop the knowledge, skills and abilities they need to function effectively at work and in their communities and to be lifelong learners.

Mr. Speaker, education is important from two broad perspectives — developing our current and future workforce. Preparing Yukoners to participate in local and regional economic development opportunities is key, and this budget provides money to local communities to do just that. As promised, our government will be providing $1.5 million to reinstate the community training funds to their previous level. Funds will be provided for training to enable local residents to participate in government capital projects and local economic development opportunities as well as Yukon-wide initiatives in support of emerging Yukon and northern economic opportunities.

The community training fund will be utilized to support emerging labour market initiatives, such as literacy, oil and gas, pipelines, promoting women in trades, arts and cultural industries, technology, as well as for targeting employment-related training.

We’re also continuing to provide opportunities for students to gain work experience through student employment programs. Yukon College is a key in providing Yukoners with the skills they need to be the workforce.

With communities doing more training, the flow of funds should increase to Yukon College. This increase in funding is in addition to the $12-million transfer in program payments.

I want to say, too, that we are starting discussions with my education colleagues across the north to identify opportunities for collaboration and cooperation that could make more and better training opportunities available for Yukoners.

Innovation is about doing things differently — new ideas, new processes and new products that made our businesses more efficient, effective and competitive. We often don’t recognize the innovation that occurs here.

Let me give you some examples: a specialized tire prototype that will assist light fixed-wing aircraft in landing and taking off from high altitudes and rough terrain locations; a technique of incorporating compost into tailings to generate vegetative covering and reclaim mining sites; and adaptations to wind turbines for rim-icing environments; also, selections of cultivar for apple products north of 60, plus new ways of marketing tourism products available through the use of new technologies, to name a few.

Our education system is where our young people and our not-so-young people acquire the knowledge and the creativeness so necessary for innovation to develop and flourish. We must nurture the creative problem-solving skills in our students, young and old. Education holds the key to our future, and we must nurture it.

Much has been said lately about the quality of the education here in the Yukon. I think we have much to be proud of. For example, the reading recovery program, which I had an opportunity to observe, was very encouraging for me. I saw a young person who was struggling to learn how to read, who was just motoring through story books that this individual was never able to read previously. So, it’s really encouraging to see that program.

We have the experiential science program. We have an all-day kindergarten. We have elders in the schools, learning through the arts, math programs to provide results in math and native language programs to promote native language throughout the territory. Mr. Speaker, can we do better? Not only can we do better, we must do better. We must improve the outcome of our system. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: education is not the exclusive domain of the Department of Education. It is an inclusive process. We all need to be involved as parents and community members, First Nation leaders, school councils and businesses. We must to be committed to ensuring we support the schools and institutions. We need our communities to do all they can to ensure learning is maximized for Yukoners. We want to involve the communities in the decisions that affect the learning in our schools. We need to be flexible and adaptable to meet the challenges and opportunities that exist in each community in the Yukon, while at the same time ensuring that our students develop the basic skills and abilities necessary to be effective in the workforce and communities of the future.

Our curriculum and materials must reflect the culture of the communities. We need to look at including the traditional knowledge and multicultural diversity that strengthens individuals, their communities and the Yukon. We need to improve the success rate of First Nation students and, to do that, we need to involve First Nations more in the education system. We need to incorporate First Nation traditions. We all have much to gain from their increased involvement and learning. In my opinion, the First Nations have some very high-quality standards of knowledge, traditional knowledge and traditional values, that will only improve the school systems.

On the capital side, I am pleased that the department has an increase in funding this year. Clearly I am extremely pleased that the capital funding to Yukon College has been retained. This is another indication of the importance that this government places on Yukon College. It is the only post-secondary institution in the Yukon, and sustaining it is a priority for us.

Funds have been provided for a number of building projects — schools, highways and the like — in our communities. We will work with local communities to maximize the jobs for local people. As the community training funds will enable the necessary training to enable the local people who are ready to work on these projects, I believe that this is a real plus for the communities and also for the City of Whitehorse.

I will now speak on a more traditional education perspective to this budget. In traditional law, we must be thankful for what we have and what we have in our possession, the food on our table, and be thankful for all the clear air we breathe and society in general.

I would like to say that I learned a lot from my mother and from elders. One of the principal things they taught me when I was growing up was to be thankful. I know my mother always used to say, "You can’t always have what other people have. People will be different. People’s wants are different. Some people are rich, some people are poor. So therefore you have to be happy with what you receive." I believe this is all relevant to this budget, because I’ve heard over and over that we’re not giving enough. We’re not giving enough to the people of the Yukon Territory. However, when you go back to the traditional knowledge of accepting what you have and evaluating and understanding what you have, it’s very relevant to this budget. Look at all the countries where there is a lot of starvation, for example. We see a lot of programs on TV showing the different countries where there is famine and where the children are in deplorable conditions medically — they’re just wasting away. Look at the homes they have to live in. The majority of them probably don’t even have a home. I’ve seen pictures of them sleeping under a tarp that’s propped up with a stick, in very unsanitary conditions — mud, water. The people are just so poor that it would make anyone’s heart break to have to watch that all the time.

When you look at these things — this is what the elders are talking about when they say to be thankful. I think in the Yukon we do have something to be thankful about. One of the biggest employers, for example, is the Yukon government, and I believe that all of the staff can be thankful for many things. For one thing, there is work and there is the ability to put food on the table. When we look at it from the traditional perspective, we begin to understand that maybe we have to really look at the good side of things rather than seeking out criticism of everything that comes across our plate. We need to start being thankful that we do have food on our tables and a roof over our heads. A lot of the people in the Yukon are driving cars — that’s a luxury. I believe there are a lot of families in the Yukon who enjoy luxuries. That’s not to say that there are some who don’t, and we have to respect them also.

In the budget there was talk about the Kwanlin Dun First Nation, and I will talk briefly about that because the Kwanlin Dun First Nation is within my riding of McIntyre-Takhini. I will say that the Kwanlin Dun First Nation is the largest First Nation in the Yukon, and their traditional territory encompasses much of the capital city of Whitehorse along with the Ta'an Kwach'an First Nation — they also have traditional territory within the capital city.

I think it’s important here that the citizens in the Yukon Territory know a bit about the history of Kwanlin Dun. Now, here’s a First Nation that has suffered many hardships by being located in the capital city. For example, they had prestige land along the riverbank. As the city grew, they saw fit to move them, to force them out of the place of residence that they had held for years. So, lo and behold, they moved them; they moved them to an area they felt they would not need in the future.

However, as the city began to grow even more over the years, it was sought again to have the Kwanlin Dun First Nation people moved again. And their land again was inhabited: the community of Riverdale, for example, sits on that side of the river; the hospital area — that was alienated. And then it happened again — I believe three, maybe four times. The third time, another example of the move was from Rotary Park, where Rotary Park is today. There used to be Kwanlin Dun First Nation people living in that area. It’s now a park.

I believe in the last move they were forced into a swamp down in, I guess, sort of the north end of Whitehorse. Again, this area, at the time was, in my opinion, not suitable for residential living, because there was an awfully low water table. For example, everyone there had outhouses, and you only dig down three feet and you’re into water. So you can imagine what kind of unsanitary conditions existed there over the years.

And then, the last move I believe they were shipped off up to the Granger area up where Mt. McIntyre is now. That was the last and final move, so where this is relevant to this whole budget speech is that I’ve heard different comments in the paper about doing special favours for this First Nation. I do not believe in my heart that there was any intent of doing any special favours for anyone. I believe this was a real good government-to-government initiative between the Yukon government and the Kwanlin Dun First Nation government and what they do with that initiative is their business. I believe it is really good for me as a First Nation person to see Kwanlin Dun capitalize on an economic development venture within their territory. It is also my opinion that it is really long overdue. I think this First Nation has endured many hardships by being located right in this capital city and I sincerely hope that this government, the opposition and the community at large in the Yukon Territory will just applaud them in what they do and give them the option to have something positive for their people and for the citizens of the territory because I believe in my heart that we can work in unity with all people in the capital city and outlying communities.

In conclusion, I would like to say that I have now completed my first experience in the budgeting process. Having to participate in a reduction process was very difficult for me because I’m the type of person who would have loved to have given everybody what they wanted. If that were possible, I would have never thought for one minute not to do that. I would have loved to have just given that to everyone; however, it was not possible. I would like to thank my colleagues for their support and understanding with regard to the Education budget and the importance of education in the territory.

I will make note that Education did not suffer as severe a reduction as other departments did. I do support this budget 100 percent.

Thank you.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I rise to respond to the budget speech that was just recently delivered. On November 4, Yukoners voted for change. They voted for change because the way things have been going simply has not been working.

I want to start off by just quoting an excerpt from Machiavelli — a well-known author and historian — and how he defines "change". I quote as follows, "There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous or more uncertain in its success than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things, because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new."

These words were passed on to me as well as other colleagues just shortly after being elected, and they certainly resonate, particularly in this time of uncertainty.

Change is never easy, and I’ll be the very first one to admit that. On the other hand, change is healthy. It opens the door to new opportunities, new ideas, new approaches and new ways of doing things. I certainly believe that Yukoners will all agree that these are anything but certain times. Economically speaking, this territory has seen better times — much better times to say the least.

As the budget speech states, it has been estimated that the Yukon’s population has declined as much as 3,000, if not more — I’d have to say more in recent years. Of those who have left us, it’s primarily our young people, our skilled tradespeople, and it really is truly unfortunate to see people struggling in this day and age, especially within a place like the Yukon, which presents so much opportunity.

Mr. Speaker, rebuilding the Yukon economy is a priority, number one for this government. In order to do that, however, we must do more with less and make wiser decisions with our money. We must work closer than ever before with Yukoners, with industry, with Yukon First Nations, with the opposition and with everyone to do just that. We must be creative and we must be bold.

On that note, I’d just like to thank both the departments of Justice and Business, Tourism and Culture for all their work over the last three months. Clearly, this has not been a very easy time. Thanks to their efforts, we were able to construct both a capital and an operation and maintenance budget within a period of some six to eight weeks — in record time, in what would, under normal circumstances, take up to six or seven months.

My hat’s off to each of the deputy ministers and to all of the staff within these departments. They’ve done an incredible job, and I thank them for that. Over the last couple of days, there has been a considerable amount of discussion about a number of issues, including capital projects, which are proceeding within this budget and capital projects that are not proceeding in this budget. As I mentioned earlier, the budget before us is indeed a tough one. It does, however, present opportunity, opportunity, for example, to advance arts education, opportunity to advance the settlement of land claims, opportunity to advance museums in the direction they wish to proceed, and opportunity for hope, to name but a few.

As the Premier alluded to in his earlier remarks yesterday, this government was faced with having to make some very difficult choices. As difficult as it was, however, I’m pleased to say that there have been no job losses. This is especially critical, and very important in this day and age, given the current economic situation that faces the territory. The last thing Yukoners want to see is loss of additional jobs and thereby loss of additional spending power in our communities. We don’t want to go down there, and we’re not going down that road.

While focusing on lowering the trajectory of spending, I believe this government has been successful in being able to maintain the level of services that we are currently providing. Now, to do so otherwise, we could take a look at other jurisdictions, jurisdictions like Alaska, our neighbours to the west. In the recent budget that Governor Frank Murkowski introduced a few days ago included an aggressive plan to cut state programs and in turn impose a wide range of taxes and fees on Alaskans and visitors.

For example the governor said he wants a 12 percent per gallon increase in the state’s motor fuel tax. That would mean that Alaskans would pay 20 cents per gallon in state taxes at the pump. Now, have we had to do that? No, we haven’t. We haven’t been able to reduce the gasoline tax either, but we have been able to maintain our own. Instead we are looking to things such as the pioneer utility grant. We have been able to increase that by 25 percent and index it against inflation. These are positive moves for seniors and elders in the territory and help them get by these tough times rising costs as we speak.

Governor Murkowski also wants visitors to have to buy $15 state wildlife conservation passes to be collected on cruise ships, bus tours and the like. He also wants to hike non-resident big game tag fees, increase state business licence fees from $25 to $200 a year. It goes on and on and on. I guess the point I am trying to make is that we here in the Yukon are very fortunate to have what we have. We have tremendous potential, opportunity for growth, and this budget I believe is able to set the stage for a period of growth. We haven’t had to resort to the severe tactics of our neighbours. We have had to make some difficult choices and, believe you me, they are difficult.

Mr. Speaker, within this budget there are a number of positive initiatives. I refer to the ongoing partnerships that we continue to support as a government. Those partnerships are Yukon Quest, Yukon Sourdough Rendezvous, Tourism Industry Association of Yukon, Yukon Arts Centre, Yukon Tourism Marketing Partnership, Yukon Chamber of Commerce, the Convention Bureau, the Wilderness Tourism Association of Yukon and so forth.

Another partnership is with the Klondike Institute of Art and Culture. After just a few years of existence, KIAC is certainly a quantified success. It sold out programs and has established a strong record of sound financial accountability for the public funds that it has directed toward arts, education, creation and presentation. It’s embarking upon a plan to enlarge and complement its existing programming and to introduce new academic levels of instruction as a diploma-granting institution.

The additional $150,000 funding that KIAC will now receive, as of April 1, will certainly go a long way in expanding the level and length of academic offerings to Yukoners. It will certainly make an education destination for clients from Outside and will place the Yukon in the foreground as a cultural tourism destination. These are all positive initiatives.

I refer to museums, giving them more discretion over their spending by allowing them to provide more direction and more autonomy over the funds they receive from the government and placing it toward the priorities they wish to address. This is another positive initiative.

Earlier — yesterday, I believe it was — there were a few points made about the impact this budget will have upon our tradespeople, our small building contractors. Yes, there is certainly always room for improvement for providing additional funds toward capital expenditures but, as my colleague from McIntyre-Takhini just alluded to, we only have so much in the coffers, and we have to realize efficiencies — we have to start doing more with less.

I’m certainly very familiar with the contracting community. I certainly grew up with it. Our family in Watson Lake — small building contractors have especially had a hard time and I certainly recognize the very important role they play in this community.

As the Member for Klondike alluded to, we need to restore investor confidence. We need to create a climate of certainty, and whether that is with the protected areas strategy — that certainly is one area, and I’d just like to put it on record that it was the Yukon Party government in 1992 that signed on to the protected areas strategy as part of the endangered spaces campaign.

What we want to do — it has been put on hold for the moment but, as our platform states, we wish to get it back on track, keeping in mind that we want to proceed with the process but with the consent of all stakeholders, garnering consensus. We have to recognize that, just prior to the last election, the previous government did struggle with this process and, as a result, they alienated quite a few different industry organizations — I believe eight to 10 different business groups. That’s something we have to avoid in the future, and that is what we are committed to — working with Yukoners in collaboration built on consensus and, where needed, compromise.

Reinstatement of the community training trust funds, $1.5 million, is nothing small. There are significant opportunities to realize with investing in our youth, in our young people, in Yukoners at large, and advancing them toward their future in this territory.

And again, I liken that to the tradespeople. I certainly recall Watson Lake, where I was born and raised, as a very vibrant, active community back in the 1970s and in the 1980s. While I can say that rural Yukon has managed to fare all right over the last number of years, towns such as Watson Lake certainly have been dealt their fair share of blows, and it is our commitment to turn the economy around, not for just Watson Lake, for southeast Yukon, but the entire Yukon.

I recall a time when building contractors — there just weren’t enough of them, that we were attracting contractors from all over the country. While that’s a very good signal that we’re doing very well economically, I believe that right now we could be doing more by way of putting people to work. But at the end of the day, government only has so much to offer. As a member of the chamber of commerce once alluded to, we can’t spend our way out of this economy. What we can do, however, is restore investor confidence by setting a climate that is conducive to the growth of the private sector. And we are very sincere in that commitment, and we’ll do so.

Tourism — I think that is a significant opportunity for growth. We are working very closely with the partners, particularly in the Yukon Tourism Marketing Partnership, in identifying some of these areas that they’ve identified as priorities — product development, looking at alternate models of marketing, looking at Yukon branding strategy. And, of course, we’ve implemented our commitment to create a stand-alone Department of Tourism and Culture. We’ve done that, just as we’ve done with the Department of Economic Development.

So, I certainly think all these things go a very long way, and I have to say I’m very proud of all the strides we have made over the last three months — three short months. It has only been three months, and I continue to remind myself, because it certainly feels like it has been more like three or four years since being elected. It has been a long haul for all of us, but I think we’ve all managed very well and can hold our heads up high.

With that said, I’ll just wrap it up right now. I just want to thank all my colleagues for all their support over the last few months. I certainly want to thank the members opposite for their constructive input. I look forward to hearing more of it and hearing more ideas on how we can get the economy together, by working together.

Mr. Cardiff:   It gives me great pleasure today to rise and address the budget speech, and it’s nice to know today that the members opposite had a lot more to say about the budget speech than they did yesterday.

The number one thing I’d like to talk about, first and foremost, I guess, is the areas that affect my constituency and the importance of some of the things that are in the budget, and some of the things that aren’t in the budget, I guess.

As I mentioned in my response to the Speech from the Throne, about the diverse nature of the riding of Mount Lorne and the many activities that take place there — the large number of facilities, whether they are community centres, or fire halls or schools — all these pieces of infrastructure have needs. They have the need to grow and expand; they have the need for repairs, so there are a few things that I can applaud the government on, and there are a few things I’d like to get on the record that still need to be done.

One of the things that is important in the riding of Mount Lorne is public safety. The Golden Horn fire hall, as I mentioned earlier the other day, received a new fire truck, and the residents can be assured that it will respond to their needs when they’re called upon to address a situation of a fire either in the riding of Mount Lorne, or as they did the other day when they responded to the need to go and deal with a fire on Squatter’s Row, through an agreement with the city — they have a mutual response that provides the opportunity and takes a bit of the load off of the City of Whitehorse, I guess, or assists the City of Whitehorse in their needs in responding to fires and other emergencies.

Now, I think the new fire truck is a great thing, but it’s unfortunate — and I have to say this again — that it seems to be jammed in there with little or no room to move around the truck, and consequently you have an issue about turnout gear and whether or not it’s going to get torn or whether or not the volunteers who are responding to a fire can even get into it and get into the truck. I know that the government has said that they don’t have a lot of money, but I’d like them to consider this in future years’ projects.

Another building in the Golden Horn area is the Golden Horn Elementary School and I see that there is money in the budget to deal with issues around the roof leaking, and I think that’s a very good idea. Having worked in the construction industry, I can tell you — we just have to look across the river at what leaking roofs can do, and we don’t want to endanger our children when they’re at the school with issues like mildew and other safety issues around leaking roofs. One thing I have found in talking to people at the school and people whose children attend the school is that there’s an issue about accessibility to the roof, and I would encourage the government to look at that. Part of the reason why we’re having problems with the roof is because the roof is being used for other extra-curricular activities, if I could put it that way. So they need to look at ensuring that the general public’s safety is looked after and that access to the roof is restricted in a manner that allows the roof to stay intact and the public to stay safe.

As I mentioned earlier also, another desire in that community would be to have the soccer field covered with turf or some form of grass.

One of the other issues, I guess, in Mount Lorne is around the community development fund. The community development fund has been a very successful tool for promoting recreation, and the residents and the community association have tried various ways to try and get some funding for a part-time sport and recreation director. I know that the Minister of Community Services is aware of that and the department is working with people. We all look forward to a positive resolution to this problem. We were told that they could try and use the community development fund, but they weren’t able to — in the end, it didn’t meet the criteria. They look forward to a resolution of this problem, as well, and to the sport and recreation act revisions that have been promised.

One of the other issues that is — I’m going to try and address some of these issues as I go through the critic areas that I’ve been assigned. I note that, in Community Services — it has been stated in this House many times that there will be no jobs lost. I’m a little new to this process. Over a number of years — probably the last 10 or 12 years — I’ve looked at the budgets that the government puts out. I come down faithfully every year and pick up my package and take it home and read through it. My interests lie in certain departments, so I’m not totally familiar with the way that budgets work.

As was said earlier, we have to look at life as a lifelong learning process, and that’s what I’m doing. So I’m hoping that at some point I will learn more about this and I will get a little bit better at it.

I guess what I’m looking for is some assurance that there will be no jobs lost, because when I look at personnel, to me, personnel is either about wages, benefits or services to personnel. When I see decreases of 20 percent in one area alone, in corporate services, a flag goes up. I don’t know if it has to do with reorganization, but that does concern me.

I have some concerns around the FireSmart program. In protective services, under fire suppression, there’s a 100-percent decrease in fire suppression in O&M, and as well the FireSmart program has been reduced in capital to $1 million, and we all want to ensure that our communities are safe. I know that I’ve worked on a project a few years back out in Burwash and saw first-hand the effects of what a wildfire can have on a community. We came very — well, it was devastating, to say the least, and we were lucky it didn’t go any farther than it did and that there was a response. To me, it was very, very disturbing to see what had happened there.

We don’t want that to happen again. So that creates a little bit of concern for me there.

As I said earlier, in the sport and recreation funding for a part-time sport and recreation director in the Hamlet of Mount Lorne, as well as — I believe it is Upper Liard that doesn’t fall within the criteria. In light of cuts that are in the budget, at least municipal grants haven’t gone down. I think we’ve seen nationally, provincially and territorially a downloading to some extent on municipal governments of providing services and increased demands on municipalities, and I think that needs to be recognized. I think we do need to look at ensuring that, just as with anything, there are increased costs through inflation that need to be addressed. I would encourage them to consider that for the future.

In the service Yukon portion of the Community Services budget, I see that public libraries — which are an important part of our community, and we know that during the last government’s tenure, there was a move to reduce the hours of service, and I’m glad to see in the operation and maintenance for public libraries that there’s actually even a small increase. However, there are no provisions for public libraries in the capital budget, and I’m not sure exactly what that means.

Does that mean that there will be no new books for people to read? If you note from the statistics, there are, I believe, 228,000 visits anticipated at the Whitehorse Library alone, yet there’s going to be nothing new for people to go and read.

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Mr. Cardiff:   Yes, I suppose we could do that.

There was an area around — my stickies went awry here — around community land development as well, as I mentioned earlier today, around land development and the $5.6 million for land development. I can’t seem to put my finger on it, probably because I’m in the wrong section. But it does provide some uncertainty in my community and in Copperbelt, as well, about whether or not this development will proceed. I think it says a little bit about land use planning and about the need to consult, and there are several areas where the government needs to do a better job on consulting and responding to the needs of residents.

In my constituency, I’m sure they are aware that those things are the Whitehorse Copper development, as well as the hamlet land use regulations and the need to move forward on the Golden Horn land use plan.

I’d like to talk a little bit about Yukon College as well. The government talks about restoring investor confidence, and it talks about the need to address health concerns and the need to create partnerships. Yukon College, as I said before in this House, is an institution that is second to none in Canada when it comes to delivering good post-secondary education that responds to the needs of northerners, and it addresses those needs and develops partnerships across the north.

While they claim to have maintained the College’s base funding — this is one reason why I always picked up budget packages, because I always wanted to see what was in the College budget. So I’ve seen the numbers manipulated many times over and, quite frankly, there is no change.

The only change in the College budget is derived from an agreement that was reached around increases with regard to collective bargaining. Other than that, there is little or no change. You have to remember that, over the last 10 years, I believe it is, the rate of inflation actually is about 17 percent. The College has had to deal with that on its own. I know that everybody else has had to deal with it too, but it is a matter of where we place the priority. How important is Yukon College and how important is training? So I’ll tell you what I believe. I believe that Yukon College can address some of the needs and the shortfalls of our health care system. Those can be addressed through Yukon College delivering training in communities. It creates healthy communities and if young people and adults in communities are attending the College and learning and gaining literacy skills, they are gaining job skills. They are building their self-esteem. When it comes to a commitment by the members opposite to move forward on land claims and the implementation of land claims, one of the things that needs to be addressed is the capacity of First Nations to be able to take on some of those responsibilities that they need to implement land claims.

I think that the College is positioned best to respond to those needs. They are based in those communities. They interact with those communities on a daily basis and, in a lot of cases, community members are who work in those community campuses.

I have to say that although I don’t sound like it, I am pleased that the training trust funds were restored to the previous level. However, this also puts an increased strain on the resources at the College, because it is the volunteer members of community campus committees and it is the staff at Yukon College and the staff in non-governmental organizations who write the proposals, and it takes a lot of time and effort to access and write the proposals for the $1.5 million that is out there for the community training trust.

So, while I applaud the community training trust increase, there are some problems around the base funding for the College and the base funding — because it’s the College that funds the actual community campuses. So there is a need to maintain a level of services both here in Whitehorse and in every community, and those needs are wide and varied — everything from literacy to job skills to building capacity, as I have said, for First Nations government.

To just touch a little bit on the partnership aspect for a second, in the budget speech the government said that it has partnered with several local cultural and educational groups, with the Canadian Tourism Commission, to create the northern learning tourism project.

And I just would like to know at some point in time whether or not Yukon College is part of this partnership, because they’ve done a lot of work in that area with Elderhostel as well as building a tourism component into the ESL programs that they deliver.

One of the things that the Member for Klondike spoke about and I think was mentioned a couple of other times, as well, is the pioneer utility grant and the price of oil. I happen to know a little bit about that, having worked in the heating industry for 20 years. There are ways that we can address this. Number one, the government said it was going to address the pioneer utility grant and that it was going to increase it, and I suppose they are going to do it. It’s unfortunate that the price of heating oil has increased by at least 30 percent in the last four or five months. That’s not going to do senior citizens any good for this year. They’re being faced with high fuel bills and absolutely no relief. There are a few other ways of dealing with that. In the Yukon Housing Corporation, there are energy management loans and home repair loans. It’s good to see that the home repair loans have been increased, but for some reason, energy management loans have decreased.

I’m not sure why, because in my mind, I think that working with the Energy Solutions Centre and Yukon Housing Corporation — I know that they do a lot and they provide a lot. There are a lot of training programs that have gone on about alternate sources of heating. I think that it’s important that we look at that and that we encourage it. There are a few reasons for that. Number one, I think that if we can reduce the heating bills, especially for seniors and other people who can least afford it, and get them off of the oil or have a more efficient heating source, that will be a good thing. I think it will also be good for our environment.

I have the pleasure of living out in Wolf Creek where the air is a lot less polluted — and we all know about temperature inversions. I worked downtown for most of my life at businesses in the industrial area, and every morning when you drive downtown, you can hardly help but notice the difference from the highway down to the bottom of Two Mile Hill. This is another way that we can address the health needs of Yukoners — to provide them with a healthy environment to live in, with clean air to breathe, not just in the summertime but in the wintertime as well — and reduce their heating costs.

There is one other thing in here that seems to point, to some extent, toward the people who can least afford it, and that is the people who are on fixed incomes, who for some reason don’t have the ability to enter the housing market and, to me, mobile homes are — you know it is up to an individual person as to whether or not that is where they decide to live, but there seems to be a reduction in mobile homes and the assistance for those mobile home owners to move from a rental pad onto a titled piece of property. I don’t know if there just isn’t a need there, but there is a 50-percent reduction. I think if people want to upgrade the place where they live, they should have that ability, and it would be good if the government could assist them with low-interest loans.

During my time in the construction industry, I worked on many projects that were funded by Yukon Housing, and they both add value — they improve the structural stability and the mechanical stability and integrity of a house — and make for a safer place for people to live. As well, they also provide employment opportunities for tradespeople and, quite frankly, in this budget, there aren’t a lot of opportunities for construction people.

There are some opportunities in road construction. There is a school being built in Pelly, and hopefully there will be opportunities for people from Pelly to take the skills that they learned at the Yukon College courses that were delivered there and participate in the construction of that school. But other than that, there aren’t any major construction projects. We lost the jail. We’re hoping that the multiplex will be built, and we hope that there will be some certainty around the funding for the multiplex, and we still don’t seem to know that. There still seems to be a lot of questions around that.

One other thing that I’d like to mention is that the members opposite are saying that they applaud the efforts of government, and I’m sure that everybody worked hard on the budget to develop a budget. It was done in only six to eight weeks. Well, that may be so, but I hope that in future years the government would undertake a wider consultation with communities and listen to what needs are out there in the community.

While I’m there, on wider consultation on the budget process with communities and community groups, I’d like to remind the government that there was at one time a school renovation and replacement plan that was developed by school councils, and I think this is one of the ultimate forms of consultation — to go to the people who are most involved with that school, the parents of the students who attend that school, and get all the school councils together, or representatives of the school councils together, and look at what the needs are for school renovations and school replacements, address those needs in a timely manner and develop a capital plan.

That’s one of the other things that I don’t totally understand when you come to future years’ projects — there don’t seem to be any timelines, there doesn’t seem to be — it’s hard to tell whether or not these long-term plans are citing prior year spending or future year spending. It’s not laid out very well, and I think that it needs to be a little clearer.

One of the other things that I heard today, as well, was on investor confidence. There are a few things that are lacking here — this isn’t one of my critic areas, but I have some interest in this. It’s in the Department of Economic Development and the fact that there is no money for economic development. I think that, as I said earlier, one of the ways that we can build investor confidence — I said this in my response to the Speech from the Throne — is to ensure that we have a skilled workforce. We need to address that, and we need to promote trades as an option for students at a much younger age, and encourage them — I know that the government promised this in their platform — to improve apprenticeship programs.

One of the other things, though, on the economic development side, is on access to capital and the fireweed investment fund.

I certainly hope that the minister responsible for Economic Development will look at the fireweed fund and just as he negotiated and went to the wall for health care funding, so should he go to the wall for securing from the federal government monies to get the fireweed venture capital fund going so that people here in the Yukon have access and have the opportunity to contribute and make investments in that fund, and also to access that fund and get capital so that small business ventures can start up and grow.

The other area I suppose is the trade and investment fund, and I think there are lots of opportunities for Yukon businesses to develop and grow, market Yukon-made products and services right next door in Alaska. In B.C., the College is another example of successfully marketing its program in the Middle East and building partnerships in the circumpolar world. So there is definitely an interest in what the Yukon has to offer and I think it is up to the Department of Economic Development and the minister to assist businesses and to go out and promote and encourage people to market what it is that they have, no matter what it is. I think there are lots of opportunities out there.

I think I’m running close to the end of my time here, and one of the things I’d like to say is that I heard i