Speaker:   I will now call the House to order. We will proceed at this time with prayers.

Speaker:   We will proceed at this time with the Order Paper.

Tributes.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, I rise on behalf of the House to pay tribute to National Immunization Awareness Week. The week of April 25 to May 1 is National Immunization Awareness week, and this provides an opportunity for Yukoners and other Canadians to focus their attention on the importance of on-time childhood vaccination. Fortunately, infants are immune to many diseases, because they receive antibodies from their mothers. Unfortunately, this immunity does not last and wears off during the first year of life. There is something we can do to protect our children from these diseases: we can immunize them. We are fortunate, Mr. Speaker, that in the Yukon we have a very comprehensive childhood vaccination program, and we’re also fortunate that Yukon parents have had the wisdom to use this program.

Our most recent statistics show that 90 percent of one-year olds in the Yukon have received their vaccinations against measles, mumps, rubella, and 94 percent of six-year-olds have been vaccinated against those same three diseases. At the same time those 94 percent who are vaccinated are also vaccinated against diphtheria, whooping cough, tetanus and polio.

But there’s room for improvement with two-year-olds who are vaccinated against hepatitis B, but with good persistence and good awareness and educational campaigns we will increase the 78 percent of two-year-olds protected from hepatitis B. The hepatitis B vaccine consists of three separate shots, which is why its uptake has not been what it should be, but it is equally important to help protect our children from contracting hepatitis B at a later age.

Recently we changed our booster program for the grade 9 students and they will now receive a new vaccine that will protect them against whooping cough into adulthood, along with the other boosters they receive at the age of 14.

Immunization is very important in the health of our children and ourselves. In fact, the Canadian Public Health Association calls immunization the single most important public health triumph of the 20^th century, and the World Health Organization attributes immunizations with saving three million lives each and every year.

We are fortunate that the Yukon has such good programs for our children. It is hoped that, by recognizing this week as Immunization Awareness Week, we can also create an awareness for those who are not as lucky as we are.

Speaker:   Introduction of visitors?

Mr. McRobb:   I’d like to ask all members to join me in welcoming two visitors to the gallery. They are Debbie McLaughlin, Public Service Alliance of Canada representative in the Northwest Territories and Jim Brohman, Public Service Alliance of Canada representative for the Yukon.

Speaker:   I have for tabling a report of the Chief Electoral Officer on political contributions to registered political parties during 2003.

Are there any further returns or documents for tabling?

Are there any petitions?

Are there any bills to be introduced?

Are there any notices of motion?

Is there a statement by a minister?

This then brings us to Question Period.

Mr. Hardy:   I have a question for the Premier. For over a week, the Minister of Justice has refused to answer legitimate questions about her department policies. The Minister of Health has come up with all sorts of excuses on the Justice minister’s behalf, but no matter how imaginative he gets, his answers just don’t wash. Meanwhile, the Premier has stayed as silent as the Justice minister on this very disturbing issue. It’s time the Premier took some ownership of this matter.

Does the Premier disagree with the judges, lawyers, mental health advocates and others who say it is not appropriate to use the Whitehorse Correctional Centre for people with serious and mental disorders?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, this issue falls under the Health Act and we are quite cognizant of our responsibilities. In some respects, the capacity of the Yukon is limited. We have to buy excess capacity in other jurisdictions, the same as the heart transplant/bypass operation. We do not have the demands here in the Yukon for a lot of the medical services that are required from time to time. We buy those services in British Columbia and we buy them in Alberta.

Mr. Hardy:   I will continue to ask the Premier the question. He does have a responsibility.

Now, over and over, the Minister of Health and Social Services has insisted it’s not a Justice matter, since the person in question was found not criminally responsible. But for more than a month before he was found not guilty, he was kept in a solitary punishment cell by corrections branch officials. The Minister of Health and Social Services has no credibility on this issue. The Minister of Justice has lost her credibility by refusing to accept any responsibility. That leaves the Premier. That’s why the question is going to him.

Will the Premier ask for a full review of this case, including an explanation of why Justice officials ignored the findings of a Supreme Court Justice for over four years?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, once an individual has been found to be not criminally responsible, it is no longer a criminal justice matter. It becomes a health matter. That’s the situation. It’s now under the Department of Health and Social Services, and hopefully this individual that the member opposite is referring to is on his way to being rehabilitated with proper treatment and becoming a contributing member of society once again.

Mr. Hardy:   Mr. Speaker, this is one more example of how the Yukon’s reputation is being tarnished across Canada because of the failures of this Premier and his government. The Premier doesn’t like to hear this, and I’m sure he will try shooting the messenger because he doesn’t like the message, Mr. Speaker. But the fact is simple: the buck stops at the Premier’s door.

I’d like to see the Premier stand up and respond to this. Now, what is the Premier doing to guarantee that the disrespectful treatment of this mentally disturbed person will never happen again in the Yukon? Let’s see if the Premier will answer a question.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   The issue is that there are three designated facilities under the Mental Health Act here in the Yukon. It is the courts — the judges in the courts, the justices of the peace in the court system — that make the determination as to where someone is to go. They have a choice. We are just the service delivery agency. As a government, we provide those services. The courts could have also made the determination that this individual was to go to the Whitehorse Hospital. They could have also made the determination that this individual could have gone to a facility in a neighbouring jurisdiction like British Columbia or Alberta, but it was the courts that made the determination to place this individual in the Whitehorse Correctional Centre. It wasn’t anyone in this government. It is the court system that makes that determination. We are the service provider, and once an individual is found to be not criminally responsible, it is no longer a criminal justice matter, it is a health matter.

Mrs. Peter:   My question today is for the Premier. Yesterday I asked the Minister of Health and Social Services about some comments made last week by the manager of a downtown shelter for young people. Since the minister didn’t answer the question, I wondered if it was because he didn’t know the answer. The comments had to do with the Premier directly, so I would like to ask him the question again. Did the Premier and his senior advisor suggest to the executive director of the Youth of Today Society that the young offenders facility might be a suitable place for the society’s programs?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   I can confirm that our department has been working very, very diligently with the principals of the Youth of Today Society, but the issue of the purchase of the Roadhouse Inn is where the member opposite is going today, once again. Our government has provided the Youth of Today Society with $110,000 for programming. We are not committing $1.77 million for the purchase of the Roadhouse. The government has facilities in place to look after those below the age of majority. The Youth of Today Society is referring primarily to individuals between the age of majority and 30 years of age.

Mrs. Peter:   This is not about anyone asking the government to buy a hotel. It’s not about this government buying shelter space or shelter beds. My question was for the Premier, about whether or not he and his senior advisor had suggested that the Youth of Today Society might consider moving its operations to the young offenders facility. I would appreciate hearing from the Premier, Mr. Speaker.

Did such a conversation take place and, if so, is that option still available for the Youth of Today Society to consider?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   Mr. Speaker, the government has worked very closely with the youth societies here in Whitehorse and of course out in the communities. Another agency that is charged with the responsibility of addressing issues for youth is the Youth Directorate, which is under my purview. It is the Youth Directorate that is now funding the Youth of Today Society, the Blue Feather Society. A few years ago, this society was receiving absolutely no core funding from any government in the Yukon. Today they receive $110,000 of annual core funding to help them with their program delivery.

As far as the young offenders facility, the young offenders facility has a specific use, and that specific use continues today.

Mrs. Peter:   I thank the Premier for standing on his feet and answering part of that question. My question now is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Will the Minister of Health and Social Services tell us exactly what services are now provided at the young offenders facility?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, we’re examining the use of the young offenders facility. Presently there is no one sentenced to serve any time there by the courts under the Young Offenders Act. That said, we currently have five individuals on remand in that facility, and they have the full range of facilities, teachers, social workers, as well as the sport and recreational aspect of the programming that is provided currently at the young offenders facility.

Ms. Duncan:   Mr. Speaker, I have some questions for the minister responsible for the Yukon Liquor Corporation. About a year ago, I asked the minister if this Yukon Party government was going to bring forward the amendments to the Liquor Act. He said, and I quote, "We are in the review process. We will be bringing forth the changes to the proposed Liquor Act when we are finished." It has now been 18 months since the government came to office and started the review of the Liquor Act. When is the new legislation coming forward, or has the government decided not to proceed?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   As the member opposite knows full well, we have a number of pieces of legislation that we would like to address over the course of our mandate. The Liquor Act review, which has been taking place over the last few years, certainly will continue. I should also point out, however, that our government did not identify this piece of legislation, this review, as a priority. It is not identified in our platform, and therefore we will treat it as such.

Ms. Duncan:   What we have is one minister standing on his feet some time ago — about a year ago — saying that the Liquor Act would come forward when they were finished looking at it and another minister standing up today and saying, no, they’re not going to do it all. I would remind that minister that there was a great deal of work done on bringing forward a new liquor act. A group of very well-respected Yukoners — including a lifelong member of the Yukon Party — completed full public consultation on this act. The act was ready to go when the Yukon Party came to office and started their stalling. The new act included allowing neighbourhood pubs in the Yukon. Would the minister confirm that the reason the act is stalled is because of opposition from MLAs who have a financial interest in seeing that neighbourhood pubs stay banned? Does the minister have a better reason why it’s stalled?

Speaker:   Order please. Is the leader of the third party implying that members are benefiting financially from this transaction? If so, that is out of order.

Ms. Duncan:  No, Mr. Speaker, that is not what I am implying. I am asking the minister why this act is stalled.

Speaker:   That I can understand.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I’m not sure exactly how to respond to the leader of the third party’s comments with respect to perhaps perceived conflicts of interest. We certainly take our jobs very seriously over on this side of this House. Again I will reiterate that our legislative plate includes a number of pieces of very important legislation, such as the Children’s Act review, which the Minister of Health and Social Services has undertaken. This is a very comprehensive process. It will take some time; it takes additional dollars, and it takes a lot of consultation with Yukoners. Again, the Liquor Act review was not identified as a priority of our government. It was not identified within our party platform. Again we will treat it as such.

Ms. Duncan:   Mr. Speaker, it’s very clear to every Yukoner that there was full and complete consultation done. It was done by a well-respected group of Yukoners. That well-respected group of Yukoners included a lifelong member of the Yukon Party. The government has given no reason, absolutely no reason, for their stalling on this act that was done.

Now, would the minister give the Yukon public — a majority of whom spoke and said very clearly they wanted this age-old legislation dealt with and they wanted the age-old legislation to include neighbourhood pubs. That recommendation came from Yukoners. Why is the government stalling on it and refusing to act?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Just to clear the record, I did not say that we would not proceed with a review of the Liquor Act. I just said that it was not a priority of this government at this time. That’s not to say that the review will not proceed or ever take place. What I have been saying — and again I’ll reiterate it for the member opposite’s benefit — is that we have a number of priorities as identified in our party platform during the territorial election that was held just recently, in 2002, and it outlines a number of initiatives that we are very much committed to. We have placed dollars to those initiatives. We will place emphasis on those initiatives through legislation, through our legislative sitting to be held this fall.

Again, we are concentrating on initiatives, legislative agenda initiatives such as the Children’s Act review and the adult decision-making legislation that was brought forward in the last sitting.

Mr. Speaker, we are very much committed to forwarding the views of Yukoners, placing the priorities as they have been identified in our Yukon Party election platform, and we will proceed as such.

Mr. Cardiff:   The minister responsible for the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board has referred to the review of the Workers’ Compensation Act as "a work in progress". I have a simple question for the minister: what work and what progress?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Lots of work and lots of progress.

Mr. Cardiff:   The minister can say what he likes. The fact remains that his work in progress isn’t progressing. The draft recommendations were supposed to go to the minister and the stakeholders and the public back in January. Check it out — it’s on the Web site; it’s in the timelines; it’s in the terms of reference that the minister drafted. Now it’s the end of April — it’s way past January. There was supposed to be a series of community meetings for the public to comment on the draft recommendations. It’s pretty hard to do that without the recommendations. It looks like one more item has dropped off the government’s radar screen, along with the Education Act, the Liquor Act, the captive wildlife regulations and a new jail.

Is this minister serious about the Workers’ Compensation Act review, or is he planning to bring in new terms of reference and timelines to stall the process even further?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Our government is very concerned with the health and safety of workers in the workforce. We want to ensure that the standards are the highest and that they are maintained. To that end, we have begun a review of the Workers’ Compensation Act. Currently the suggested amendments and the changes have come to my desk, and we’ll be moving forward. In the process there’s a facilitator that will be hired, and the review panel will be going back out for a complete and thorough consultation on these issues.

The member knows full well that that is taking place and it’s underway. I don’t know why the member is taking the tack that he is, but it’s totally unfounded.

Mr. Cardiff:   Mr. Speaker, there was a request for proposals last fall for research and facilitation support to develop an options paper during phase 2 of this review. That time period has come and gone. As of this morning, the government’s Web site still lists this request for proposals as "pending". The award of that request for proposals is pending, but the call closed December 16. We are wondering what’s happening. He’s saying he’s going to hire a facilitator. Maybe the minister has too much on his plate. He is having to answer for other ministers who won’t speak for themselves, so let’s ask the Premier this: does the Premier plan to rescue the overworked minister by announcing an extension to the timelines for this review the way that he rescued the Minister of Environment on the Wildlife Act regulations?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, what the member fails to recognize is the cost of the review, and the facilitator came in somewhat over budget. We have to go back out and find a facilitator. It’s going to cost more money. That money is contained in this new budget envelope in the budget that is before the House here for debate. Now, Mr. Speaker, this member and the official opposition will vote against it. We need the authority to go out and spend the money on this review. The opposition won’t give us that authority; well, we’re going to be going ahead with this review. We’re going to be going ahead with hiring a facilitator, but it is contained in this budget envelope, which these members opposite will be voting against.

Mr. McRobb:   Mr. Speaker, I’d like to follow up on a question asked last month to the Minister of Energy, Mines and Resources. The Aboriginal Pipeline Group was formed last year in an effort to coordinate discussions regarding development of the proposed Alaska Highway gas pipeline with Yukon First Nations. There are nine Yukon First Nations whose lands fall within the pipeline corridor and therefore have a direct interest in the proposal; however, the group lacks full participation as three First Nations have yet to join it. This government has gone on and on ad nauseam about how it’s forging partnerships with First Nations. What has this minister done in the past month to resolve this matter, and when will this group finally have its full complement?

Hon. Mr. Lang:   In answering the member opposite’s question about the Aboriginal Pipeline Group, the Aboriginal Pipeline Group is certainly the nine First Nations that are involved directly if in fact and when the pipeline is built. The Aboriginal Pipeline Group was put together to answer some of their concerns.

They have six First Nations that are active members. There are three First Nations that have observer status, and at the end of the day hopefully all nine members will be part and parcel of this Aboriginal Pipeline Group.

Then, of course, the Aboriginal Pipeline Group, which is made up of the nine, has to address how the other First Nations are going to be involved in this. So they have a lot of work to do, but I’m very confident with the funding we put in place. We as a government and the Aboriginal Pipeline Group went to Ottawa and were received very well. I think the member opposite will be very happy at the end of the day that we will resolve some of the questions he has asked.

Mr. McRobb:   Well, he didn’t resolve much today. He talked about everything except for the question itself.

Most of the discussions to date have focused on which pipeline will be built first, the Mackenzie line or the Alaska Highway line. The Alaska Highway pipeline is a much larger project and accordingly requires more attention. It’s nearly three times the length and would transport up to four times the quantity of gas.

I want to ask the minister about TransCanada PipeLine’s recent invitation to northern aboriginal communities to become ownership partners in sections of the pipeline. The Edmonton Journal reported on Saturday that a sponsor consortium could include gas producers, other pipelines and American aboriginal corporations. What about Yukon First Nations? Is this offer open to them? What’s this government doing to fulfill its responsibility?

Hon. Mr. Lang:   I don’t pretend to represent TransCanada PipeLines in this House, but certainly the First Nations in the Yukon, which are going to be a big part of the Alaska Highway pipeline, will get the same opportunities to participate as all First Nations will on the Alaska Highway pipeline.

So, Mr. Speaker, TransCanada PipeLines is doing their job. We’re doing our job by becoming pipeline-ready, working with the Aboriginal Pipeline Group when they ask for help and assistance. We are not managing the Aboriginal Pipeline Group. They are quite professional and quite capable of doing that themselves.

Mr. McRobb:   Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned, this government goes on and on about how it’s forging partnerships. It likes to take credit for all these things, but when it comes down to it, the minister says they have nothing to do with it. They can’t have it both ways.

The minister said he’s working with industry to address some of the issues they have in our jurisdiction. The minister would like us to believe he is working hard to get pipeline-ready, but there’s little progress to show.

Before he gets back on his feet and talks about anything under the sun, except the question I asked, I’d like to ask him to listen carefully. Last month he said the Aboriginal Pipeline Group would be opening an office very soon. Can he tell us when that might be, and how much is allocated within his budget for that purpose?

Hon. Mr. Lang:   In answering the member opposite’s question about the Aboriginal Pipeline Group — they have plans to open an office, certainly, and in the near future an office will be opened. Again, I remind the member opposite the Aboriginal Pipeline Group is an independent group of First Nations that have a vested interest in the pipeline.

Mr. Speaker, we are not speaking for the Aboriginal Pipeline Group as a government. We are working with them where we can. As far as money put aside, we have contributed just over $100,000 so they could get their Aboriginal Pipeline Group up and running.

Mr. Speaker, they’re a long way down the road to having an office in the City of Whitehorse, addressing some of the issues that are out there with some of the First Nations that are just observers. They’re working to get themselves in a situation where they can contribute if and when the pipeline comes down the Alaska Highway.

So, Mr. Speaker, the members opposite are dead wrong — again, Mr. Speaker, dead wrong on the issue of the Aboriginal Pipeline Group — a very professional and capable group of Yukoners with like interests, going to work to put together a team so that they can address these issues. They are dead wrong again, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Hardy:   Yesterday I asked the Premier about a letter he wrote last week to the Yukon River Intertribal Watershed Council. I have no idea why the Minister of Community Services picked up the ball, because it was clearly the Premier’s signature on that letter, so let me give the Premier another opportunity to answer for himself.

Why did the Premier send a letter to so many people, including the Prime Minister, implying that the Dawson City mayor and council acted improperly with regard to the town’s capital funding agreement?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   For the member opposite, we’re responding to the same individuals who were copied on the original letter from the tribal First Nation.

Mr. Hardy:   For months and months we’ve watched this government systematically undermine a democratically elected Mayor and Council of Dawson City, Mr. Speaker. We’ve watched the minister use the privilege of this House to drag the reputation of a long-time public servant through the mud. We’ve watched the government House leader coaching the Minister of Community Services on his answers, when he’s the last person who should have anything to do with this shameful matter.

Why did the Premier sign a letter that could be interpreted as an attack on both the competence and integrity of the former Mayor and Council of Dawson City?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   For the member opposite, we have appointed a trustee to take care of the situation in Dawson City, as per the Municipal Act. We are following through on that process and we plan to continue to do so, under the guidance of the trustee.

Mr. Hardy:   Mr. Speaker, once again I have to point out that the question is directed to the Premier. He’s the one who wrote the letter; he’s the one who sent the letter; he’s the one who signed the letter.

There seems to be no limit to what members of this government will do to discredit people they don’t like. Week after week we hear from people who say they’re reluctant to take a stand on things they disagree with. They’re afraid of retribution by an intolerant and vindictive government and they’re counting the months until they can turf this government out of office.

Some Hon. Member:   Point of order.

Speaker:   Government House leader, on a point of order.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Pursuant to Standing Order 19(g), the leader of the official opposition is imputing false or unavowed motives to another member of this Legislature.

Speaker:   Member for Kluane, on the point of order.

Mr. McRobb:   On the point of order, Mr. Speaker, the government House leader is incorrect. The opposition leader was not referring to an individual; he was referring generally to a government.

Speaker:   I think I would ask the indulgence of the House. I need to review this in the Blues. I would ask the members to carry on.

Mr. Hardy:   Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday the minister said there is a forensic audit going on, yet the Premier has already reached his own conclusions with this letter. Will the Premier now do the honourable thing and apologize for the unsupported attack on the former mayor and council in his letter to the Intertribal Watershed Council? Would the Premier stand and do that?

Hon. Mr. Hart:   We will follow through with our trustee in place with the City of Dawson and we plan to carry on with that process. As the member opposite indicated, the forensic audit is underway, and he’s actually currently in Dawson City as we speak. We are awaiting the results of that in the anticipated time, and we’ll carry through with the options once his recommendations come forth.

Mr. Fairclough:   My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. On November 2, 2002, after 18 months of hearings across the country, the commission on the future of health care produced a report known as the Romanow report. Romanow said about the changes he proposed: "They are designed to achieve a more effectively integrated and a more accountable world-class system that helps to make Canadians the healthiest people in the world."

This year and last, the minister received $6.6 million over and above regular federal funding for health care in the Yukon. It is now 18 months since the Romanow report was made public and endorsed across the country. Will the minister give us an update on how his department is responding to the recommendations in the Romanow report?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, it is the federal government that is charged with the responsibility to respond to the Romanow report. To that end, they have convened a health council. We have a representative here in the Yukon who was appointed to the health commission by an involvement of the First Nations here in the Yukon and by the Department of Health and Social Services and my caucus colleagues. To that end, we’re moving forward; but the issue of the additional $20 million has nothing to do whatsoever with the Romanow report. This was an initiative spearheaded by the three northern premiers who were successful in convincing the federal Prime Minister at the time that there was a need for additional funding and the funding couldn’t be provided on a per capita basis. It had to be a block funding initiative, and $60 million was allocated to the three northern territories — $20 million for the Yukon over three years.

Mr. Fairclough:   Not much of an update from the member on the Romanow report, Mr. Speaker. One of the strong recommendations of this report called for an injection of funding to provide the foundation for a national system of home care. Home care is not only palliative care. Romanow’s vision for home care was one that would support mental health case management, post-acute care, as well as end-of-life care. A national study on patients’ rights groups showed the Yukon’s spending is at the bottom of the list nationally — less than two percent of our health budget. Manitoba is at the top, at 6.5 percent. And the recommended spending is 10 percent of the budget for home care.

This minister has constantly complained about the cost of health care — the steepest trajectory, he says. Home care is a very important cost-saving measure for spending on health. What is the minister doing to enhance home care services in the Yukon, especially in the communities?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   We’re quite cognizant of home care and what it does. If the member opposite refers to the budget, he’ll find there’s $10 million more in this budget envelope for health care and for providing service to Yukoners. Among those is the area he has identified.

But at the end of this sitting, I’m sure the members opposite will continue to vote against this money that’s going to the cause of providing health care to all Yukoners.

Mr. Fairclough:   That minister, when on this side of the House, voted against every budget. Did he not care back then?

Home care is what I’m focusing on, and obviously the minister didn’t give us much of an answer as to what he’s doing in the communities. When the Romanow report came out, the CYFN Grand Chief endorsed the concept of centralizing existing aboriginal health funding and establishing a comprehensive series of aboriginal health partnerships with First Nations to develop and deliver health services. Ed Schultz said, "I’m happy to hear a federally appointed commissioner advocating true partnerships with First Nations."

How is this territorial home care system working in conjunction with First Nation home and community care programs? I’m not talking federally; I’m talking territorially.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   The member knows full well that funding for First Nation health care comes directly from the federal government to the respective First Nation.

But let me just share with the House what we’re doing in the Department of Health and Social Services in this budget cycle. There is: a $3.1-million increase for hospital O&M; $320,000 more for FASD action plan; $1.8 million more to open seven more beds in Macaulay Lodge and 12 new beds in Copper Ridge Place; $1.9 million more for primary health care; $675,000 more for enhanced daycare funding; $200,000 more for increasing honoraria for volunteer ambulance attendants; two new ambulances, one for Ross River and one for Whitehorse; $600,000 for the planning of the multi-level care facilities in Watson Lake and Dawson City; $100,000 more for feasibility for multi-level care facilities in Haines Junction and Teslin.

And the list goes on, and I’m sure even the Member for Kluane will vote against this budget where there’s money identified for looking at a multi-level care facility in his community of Haines Junction.

And for the member opposite, I did not vote against all the budgets. The member might want to check Hansard. There were some budgets that I had a measure of respect for and I was absent from this House and did not vote for them.

Speaker:   The time for Question Period has now elapsed.

Ms. Duncan:   Pursuant to Standing Order 14.2(3), I would like to identify the items standing in the name of the third party to be called on Wednesday, April 28, 2004. They are Motion No. 231, standing in the name of the Member for Porter Creek South, and Motion No. 55, standing in the name of the Member for Porter Creek South.

Mr. McRobb:   It’s tough to follow an act like that, Mr. Speaker. Pursuant to Standing Order 14.2(3), I would like to identify the item standing in the name of the official opposition to be called on Wednesday, April 28, 2004. It is Bill No. 104, standing in the name of the Member for Whitehorse Centre.

Speaker:   We will now proceed with Orders of the Day.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, I move that the Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the House resolve into Committee of the Whole.

Speaker:   It has been moved by the government House leader that the Speaker do now leave the Chair and that the House resolve into Committee of the Whole.

Chair:   Order please. Committee of the Whole will now come to order. The matter before the Committee is Bill No. 10, First Appropriation Act, 2004-05.

Before we begin, do members wish a brief recess?

Some Hon. Members:   Agreed.

Chair:   We will take a 15-minute recess.

Chair:   Committee of the Whole will now come to order. The matter before the Committee this afternoon is Bill No. 10, First Appropriation Act, 2004-05.

Chair:   We will begin with Vote 54, Department of Tourism and Culture, and general debate.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   It is indeed my honour and privilege to present the 2004-05 operations and maintenance budget for the Department of Tourism and Culture. There are a number of very key important initiatives in this budget, of which I’m very pleased to speak this afternoon. On a number of occasions, I have explicitly outlined the very importance of tourism and the many economic benefits industry generates on an annual basis here in the Yukon. One of the very first initiatives that we did as a government upon being elected was to establish a stand-alone Department of Tourism and Culture. Of course, we have done so, and that department not only incorporates heritage, culture and arts, but one that solely focuses on marketing Yukon as a destination of choice. In keeping with my commitment to the Tourism Industry Association of Yukon, the marketing branch now encompasses tourism research, planning and product development all under one umbrella.

As I’ve also said, Mr. Chair, we have a lot to look forward to this year. 2004 is certainly showing to be a very strong year tourism wise. Compared to last year, 2003, when we had what I would identify as the "year of the perfect storm" from the fallout of the war in Iraq, SARS, BSE, forest fires, to a very weak U.S. economy.

These factors all contributed to — perhaps not as well-performing a season as what we have seen in previous years. But with that said, I’m very pleased to say that as a result of some various initiatives outlined in this budget before us, we will continue to grow tourism in the Yukon. It’s a very strong economic engine in the territory. It is currently the largest private sector employer in the territory, and we regard it as a very important industry in the territory.

Now, this year, my colleagues and I are pleased to have announced a number of new initiatives that will without a doubt help expand our tourism season and help grow industry. I and my colleagues in government have certainly taken the time to listen carefully to industry’s needs and concerns, and we have been very open to suggestions on what is important to industry and how to expand the business activity in the territory.

With that said, I’m very proud to say that we were able to introduce several new or expanded programs this year to respond to these particular needs and interests, one of which includes the tourism cooperative marketing fund, providing $500,000 to directly support tourism industry marketing initiatives that generate awareness of the Yukon as a four-season destination. This fund will certainly complement the strategic marketing plan by enhancing product awareness and marketing business efforts outside Yukon that will encourage visitors to not only visit the Yukon but stay those additional days, weeks and months — I would certainly preferably request.

This $500,000 investment will have the ability to leverage additional dollars, whether that be from other governments or private sector employers, and provide those additional dollars that can be invested in the growth of our tourism industry.

Mr. Chair, I’m also pleased to report that our government has also announced a small business corporate tax rate reduction from six percent to four percent, which will also help grow our businesses in the territory. That commences January 1.

Again, initiatives such as these will leave more disposable income in the hands of business owners to invest in the growth of their businesses.

I’ve often said that the key to growth and sustainability of our tourism industry is through the development of our products, and this is recognized by both industry and government. Product development has certainly been identified as a priority among industry and within this government and is reflected within this budget.

As I have often said, product is not solely about marketing but is also about improvements to our highway system, improvements to our existing infrastructure and improvements to our waterfront; it’s improvements to our signage and improvements to museums, heritage, culture and other industries.

One example that is also reflected within the 2004-05 budget is that of the waterfront, the railway trolley here in the City of Whitehorse. That expansion will actually come to a total of $425,000 and will provide for new track and additional loading platforms that will connect the present waterfront to the Chilkoot Centre.

Of course, there will be additional dollars for ongoing track and line maintenance.

Now, Mr. Chair, in consultation with the City of Whitehorse, Miles Canyon Historical Railroad Society, MacBride Museum and White Pass, our government will also be developing an interpretive plan for the roundhouse with $25,000 in heritage attraction site support, and these dollars will be well-invested. The roundhouse was identified as a priority within our election platform to save the roundhouse and preserve a very integral piece of Whitehorse waterfront heritage. It also represents the importance of transportation in the territory and the role that it plays in the growth of our industry.

We in turn have relocated the roundhouse and we are placing dollars to enhance the facility. Again, this $25,000 in attraction site support will help provide additional elaboration as to what will be housed within the roundhouse.

Also within this budget are a number of other initiatives from road reconstruction to the Yukon River bridge, including the Alaska Highway improvements, Campbell Highway improvements, Tagish Road improvements and so forth.

There are also a number of key events that will be taking place over the course of this year, one of which, of course, is the 25^th anniversary of the Dempster Highway. Our department is working very closely with the Klondike Visitors Association to help enhance and to grow those festivities along the Dempster Highway this summer, which I certainly encourage all colleagues to join in on.

We also have about $350,000 worth of improvements on the Dempster Highway, including the construction of a couple of additional pullouts to be completed this year in commemoration of the Dempster Highway’s anniversary. Of course, the Minister of Environment and the department have placed $100,000 in the design phase of the Tombstone Interpretive Centre, which will also contribute to the experience of visitors and Yukoners along this very key road. Of course, the Tombstone Interpretive Centre will be one of the premier park and tourism facilities in the Yukon. We are very pleased to partner with Environment and pleased to showcase that particular corner of the territory to all visitors from all parts of the world.

Now when we talk about product, I can also say that we have been working very closely with the Yukon First Nations Tourism Association in developing First Nation products. I congratulate them on their new welcome guide. We are certainly very pleased to support the association on their guide as well as in the planning sessions that the association is also working on, which will assist First Nation products to grow and develop.

I can say that tourism development is a very integral part of their efforts to develop the economy. We in particular applaud First Nation governments as they develop partnerships to grow these opportunities for the benefits of their members, as well as all of Yukon.

Within this budget, I am very pleased to report a new funding program for First Nation cultural centres. This certainly was identified as a priority through the development of the museum strategy process and one that we are very pleased to be able to deliver on, to the tune of over $200,000 in total. That will help go toward the ongoing support and operations of each of our existing cultural centres here in the Yukon.

In addition, we have placed significant investment in heritage, in our museums. Not long ago, we revamped our museum funding program, which lent additional flexibility in the way funds were designated or distributed to each of the museums. In turn, as a result of that introduced flexibility, we were also able to add four additional museums, including the Northern Lights Centre in Watson Lake, the Binet House in Mayo, the Campbell Highway Interpretive Centre as well as the Miles Canyon Historical Railway Society.

So those additional funds will not only assist each of these attractions in providing added product for our visitors and Yukoners to enjoy, but they will also help enhance their efforts to leverage additional funds from other sources, whether that be the federal government or other sources of funding, private or government alike.

And indeed, heritage is a very important cornerstone of the territory, whether that may be toward cultural centres, museums, or whether that be toward initiatives such as the roundhouse. We are very much committed and we have in fact almost doubled that amount of funding over the last year and a half since we have been in office.

$300,000 is also identified as additional funding within this budget toward the development of the Carcross-Tagish First Nation cultural centre. Together, between the Four Mountains Resort and the cultural centre, these two initiatives are very important components of growing the Southern Lakes, of which you are certainly part, Mr. Chair, and you represent their individuals very well, I might add.

We are very pleased to support the Southern Lakes area and the Carcross-Tagish First Nation in not only meeting our obligations to assist with their cultural/heritage needs, but also growing tourism in that particular area of the Yukon.

Mr. Chair, we are also placing additional funds toward a First Nation heritage officer. This was a commitment that our party made during the election. As I understand it, the Yukon Historical and Museums Association — it was an all-party forum. We made the commitment to provide funds that would go toward a heritage officer within our department, and we are able to deliver that with these additional funds in the budget. This individual will be housed in the cultural services branch and will play a very important role in assisting First Nation governments, whether that be in developing their cultural centre or in developing First Nation products throughout and outside the territory.

We are also pleased to announce an additional $100,000 for the gateway cities program for a total of $200,000. Of course, this program is designed to increase traffic to our gateway cities of Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver. Over the last year we have had the opportunity to work very closely with Air North, and more recently, Zip Air has also indicated an interest in coming to the table and assisting in this particular initiative.

I can also say that we are very enthused with the work that Air North has been doing in particular. They have really come to the forefront of the air industry and they have really stepped up to the plate to meet the needs of Yukoners, whether that be domestic travel or working with international airlines in meeting those international connections. They play a very important role. They employ many Yukoners, and they are certainly an economic engine in the territory. Thanks to Air North and to Zip, we are provided with the luxury of having affordable and accessible air service. We will continue to work with our partners — tour operators in the territory — to continue to provide viable and affordable air access in the territory, both on the domestic and international fronts.

I also refer to the cruise industry and all indications are that the cruise industry is up. In fact, it was indicated that we should have an estimated $700,000 arriving in the port of Skagway this year.

That enhances all kinds of additional opportunities for the Yukon, whether it be with Holland America Princess Cruises — we certainly have a lot to offer here inland, whether that be providing products within Haines Junction or Dawson City, or elsewhere — in Beaver Creek. We certainly have a lot to offer in terms of providing additional product. One example of that success is Holland America and their partnership with the Kluane National Park in providing tours to the park and enhancing those hiking opportunities. This particular program has been very well subscribed to, and we are very pleased to assist in this regard.

Mr. Chair, we have also placed additional funds in winter products, whether that be Fulda, the Extreme Arctic Challenge — an additional $150,000. Also we have renewed our partnership with the Yukon Quest for an additional two years for $150,000. Again, these programs help encourage visitors to come during the winter season and, of course, we are working to that end in becoming or in continuing to be a four-season destination in the Yukon. These additional products just lend to that very experience.

Sourdough Rendezvous also just celebrated its 40^th anniversary this year, in 2004. They did an exceptional job.

Again, we are very pleased to lend our assistance to these very valuable initiatives. I could certainly go on because there is just so much good news in this particular budget and we have a lot to look forward to this season, to which end I would be very happy to entertain some questions from the members opposite.

Mr. Hardy:   Well, I agree, there is a lot of good news in some of the spending initiatives, as every Minister of Tourism has stood up and announced on a regular basis the initiatives that are being taken and the hopeful impact it will have for the industry throughout the territory. This minister definitely has outlined many of those good initiatives.

The Yukon has tremendous potential, and I think we have heard this time and time and time again. We are always trying to identify that potential, trying to market that potential, trying to make the connection for people to come and stay. I have a few questions around that potential that we have and what we should be identifying. We recognize, of course, that the First Nation cultures are a huge attraction for people visiting the territory. The historic sites that we have up here and our history, of course, are very, very important in marketing tourist attractions as we continue to develop them and invest in them and try to highlight them. The talent that we have in the territory, without a doubt, I believe, in Canada, is the highest anywhere. It is our challenge to try to advance that talent, encourage the growth for the youth to develop their skills, whether it’s in the arts and crafts, in the tourism markets and all the other aspects that they can be involved in. We have a role to play to try to encourage that.

And, of course, our departments, and I believe tourism is one of the brighter areas to look toward for economic activity and future growth potential.

The one area I haven’t mentioned yet is the wilderness and the attraction that the Yukon has for people around the world and how it has been marketed. We hear a lot of slogans and names: the magic, the mystery, the vast wilderness — all the angles with which we’re trying to attract people’s attention outside this territory. What I often find difficult to match up to though is when I don’t hear it on the economic front from Economic Development. I don’t hear it from the Premier’s mouth in regard to the importance of protecting that wilderness, which I would consider the biggest drawing card this territory actually has. I’ve heard it from many people. But that’s my opinion. I will put a question to the minister immediately in this regard. What does she consider the biggest attraction? What has she heard from her department as the uniqueness of the Yukon that seems to resonate throughout the world and which is the easiest, the fastest and most responsive message that we give to the people of the world in order to come here? What is it? What is the essence, the one that sparks the interest?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I have to say that I can’t perhaps put my finger on one particular area because we offer so many different attractions. As the member opposite points out, wilderness is certainly a very large growth area — wilderness tourism. The Wilderness Tourism Association of the Yukon has done a remarkable job and of course, as the member opposite knows full well, we do provide a funding arrangement with the Wilderness Tourism Association to develop on behalf of the Yukon government the wilderness marketing campaign.

And they do an outstanding job in providing that service to us. In turn, they’re able to leverage additional funds from the federal government, the Canadian Tourism Commission, for example, and others. They certainly work very closely with their membership and the Yukon government in providing those various services.

So when we talk about wilderness tourism, I think it’s very important to note that certainly our department works very closely providing assistance to that association, or all associations for that matter, in developing niche markets and in enhancing educational workshops, working with wilderness operators on the Marine Liability Act, for example. That’s a federal piece of legislation that we’ve been working very closely with wilderness tourism operators on, and as a result of their very good lobbying efforts and our lobbying efforts and that of others in the Yukon, we’ve been able to make some headway with Transport Canada in providing that non-motorized or inflatable vessels would be exempted from the compulsory insurance requirements of that particular act.

With that said, they have confirmed that they will consider possible legislative changes regarding the prohibition of waivers for adventure travel vessels. The Department of Transport in the federal government also anticipates releasing a discussion paper on those possible changes that they are entertaining making to the act this summer.

We continue to work with the Wilderness Tourism Association on the other insurance requirements. Today I just received a brief from the Wilderness Tourism Association outlining some of their efforts in working with TIAC, Tourism Industry Association of Canada, in coming up with more lucrative insurance options available to wilderness operators.

When we talk about other attractions in the territory, I have to say that heritage and cultural industries also play a very important role in the development of our economy. Whether that be sound recording, the film industry, heritage, First Nation culture or literary and performing arts — the whole gamut — we all have a very important role in growing industry and the economy. I’m very pleased to be part of a government that is very supportive of cultural industries in particular. In fact, I’ve alluded in the past that, as of a couple of years ago — and that was even before we had injected additional funds into the cultural sector — that Yukon is regarded as providing the highest per capita spending on arts and culture of all other places in the country — something like $421 per person.

I’m very pleased to offer support, whether that be through the arts fund or our community development fund. We offer a number of different initiatives. I outlined a few others through the new First Nations cultural centre support and through our museums funding support. The stay-another-day program is a very important program we’ve pleased to continue. In this budget alone, we have over $600,000 for the stay-another-day program.

That, again, goes toward contests, guides, distribution racks and inserts. That will go toward banners, Mr. Chair. We will be replacing all the banners, hundreds of banners, throughout all the communities this summer — again, continuing advertising the on-Yukon-time campaign. We also will be enhancing public relations, music and media events surrounding this particular campaign. It has worked very well and we are very pleased to offer support to these initiatives.

When we talk about other attractions in the territory, it’s one thing to provide attractions but it’s another thing to also obtain visitors or encourage visitors to come to the Yukon. Again, I point out that the $500,000 tourism cooperative marketing fund will do just that. It’s building upon assistance, whether that be consumer trade show presence or placing advertisements with our partners, individuals or businesses alike, or non-government organizations, tourism consortiums.

These various initiatives all contribute to the very importance of our industry attractions. When we talk about attractions, I just refer to fishing, for example. Yukon has world-class freshwater fishing in the territory here and, again, under the guidance of our Minister of Environment, we were able to strike an arrangement as of January 1, 2005 to ensure that Yukon anglers fishing in Alaska receive the same rights or the same licence abilities for the same fees.

This should really encourage Yukoners going to Alaska to fish and also Alaskans to come to the Yukon. We know there are many more Alaskan residents than there are Yukon residents, so we perhaps stand to benefit a lot more than Alaskans do. So we’re again very happy to expand upon some of our sporting activities.

When we talk about attractions, we talk about Canada Winter Games and all the various events surrounding the Canada Winter Games.

The Convention Bureau provides a remarkable service in expanding upon our convention incentive travel, meetings, and they did an outstanding job just 10 short days ago — or two weeks ago — in helping to host the Western Canadian Gymnastics Championships here in the City of Whitehorse where over 500 people came to town and spent almost a week here. They certainly generated a lot of revenue for our businesses here in the City of Whitehorse. It is those events that will help expand the industry and provide for those necessary attractions by generating revenue, placing more disposable income in the pockets of Yukoners to invest in product, to invest in those attractions.

So when the member opposite asks me about attractions, it’s very difficult for me to pinpoint exactly what attraction because I think it’s a combination of all different attractions. It’s a combination of different products that makes the Yukon so very unique for visitors to come to the Yukon and to enjoy the Yukon.

Mr. Hardy:   I guess I was right. She didn’t have enough time in the first 20 minutes to ramble on throughout her department. I asked a very simple question, so she has to continue rambling through her department in order to make sure she gets all the points in.

Well, I’m going to make it really simple for this minister across the way. I’m going to ask another simple question, and I’m going to sit back and listen for another 20 minutes while she wanders all over the place without addressing my very simple question.

What did she think was the single most attractive element for people outside this territory? What did they identify the Yukon around? What is it? Because there is always something. I can think of P.E.I.; I can think of B.C.; I can think of many of the provinces and identify the uniqueness of those provinces. I can think of Saskatchewan, and I know immediately what jumps to mind. This is the government that has very often talked about branding the Yukon. So what is this minister’s particular brand? Now, if she wants to wander all over the place again, fine. I have lots of time. It’s her choice. She doesn’t answer questions in Question Period, so maybe this is a place where she can talk.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I really delight in this discussion, because I think it’s really healthy to have this two-way discussion, engaging members of the opposition, and I really feel passionate about tourism, and I welcome the opportunity to talk about tourism on any given day, at any time, not even necessarily in this particular forum.

So, Mr. Chair, as Minister of Tourism and Culture, I am not only responsible for this particular department, but I am to represent the various interests of all tourism operators — of all of industry. Therefore, it’s not up to me as an individual to portray my personal interests, because my job is not only to represent the Department of Tourism and Culture within the Government of Yukon but also to represent all of industry.

I do my utmost best to talk with industry, again whether that be with heritage, the Wilderness Tourism Association or the First Nations Tourism Association, the Tourism Industry Association of the Yukon, the Gateway Tourism Association, the Klondike Visitors Association, Sourdough Rendezvous or the Yukon Quest. I take great pride in placing a lot of attention and getting out to these various events, and I encourage more members to show up to these events to help support our local community, to help support these various agencies, to show or to instill pride in the Yukon and all that we have to offer.

The visitor exit survey, which I didn’t get around to talking about and I’ll be very happy to also say a few words about — we’re investing something to the tune of $414,000, I believe, in the visitor exit survey that will provide us with more accurate information as to what visitors are looking at, what kind of products catch their interest, so we really look forward to seeing the results of that particular survey. Thanks to the very good work and due diligence of our research branch, they are working very closely with our community associations and agencies in coming up with the questions to ask during the visitor exit survey. The visitor exit survey will be kicking off very soon — on May 1 we’ll be doing a bit of a trial run and then proceeding forward from there in the middle of May and onwards. This should wrap up in September and then, of course, it will take some time to deliberate, to review and to evaluate each of the results as portrayed within the visitor exit survey, but I think it’s very important that we proceed with this survey. The last time a survey was done was prior to 9/11 and, as the members opposite know full well, there have been a lot of changes in the industry.

Many of those changes are outside the hands of Yukon and outside the hands of our country. So I think it’s really important to place those dollars and investments — and I should also add that industry asked us to proceed with a visitor exit survey to give us a better sense of what products and what attractions, as the member opposite alluded to, mean the most to visitors.

So for me to espouse exactly what my personal preference is or what I think is the best attraction, I’m not prepared to do that. My view is that the Yukon — as I would hope the member opposite would also agree — contains a whole number of various worthwhile attractions, and I would hope the member opposite would be very supportive of not just wilderness tourism but also First Nation tourism and all of industry — all our museums and cultural centres — and our cultural industries: the film industry, sound recording, literary arts, performing arts and visual arts. All these various industries culminate in what makes the Yukon a very attractive place to visit as well as a destination to do business and to reside.

Mr. Hardy:   It’s understandable why the minister can’t seem to figure out what would be the uniqueness of the Yukon. It’s sometimes very difficult, when you are a minister, to answer a straightforward question. She is obviously having difficulty addressing the question and wants to skirt all around it.

I could stand here and say very easily what I think is the uniqueness of the Yukon. I’m not ashamed to say it; I’m quite proud of it, but I do understand why she might be hesitant, knowing the direction the Yukon Party government has been going in regard to what they consider economic development.

That’s the only direction that they seem to want to go in. There might be a certain amount of strain that exists between Tourism and what they try to market and some of the other departments and what they’re trying to do and what they’re trying to open up in every place. I could ask a question about what kind of impact parks have in the figures we have. I’m not sure if their exit surveys or any kind of studies or statistics include that. If the minister is willing to answer that one — I wasn’t going to continue with it, but if she has something I’m quite willing to listen to that.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Certainly I’m very pleased to respond to the member opposite’s question. With respect to parks, parks in the Yukon play a very important role in providing those additional products and attractions in the Yukon. Kluane National Park is but one fine example. When we talk about different sites — historic sites for example — as administered by Parks Canada, we have a very good relationship with the local officials here in the Yukon. Our Department of Tourism and Culture is very pleased to work with Parks Canada and Environment Canada toward the preservation and protection of our parks.

Parks of course mean a great deal to the territory. As the member opposite knows full well, Tourism is engaged at a regional planning level on a number of fronts. In fact, we have tourism plans completed for eight of Yukon’s nine tourism regions and updates continue to be performed on four in particular. And tourism planning in north Yukon is also in its final stages.

So, again, whether we talk about Kluane, the Silver Trail, Dawson, Watson Lake, southeast Yukon, Carcross, Southern Lakes, Whitehorse, Campbell region, Teslin region or the north Yukon, we are at the table on a number of fronts, providing planning support to the various regions. That is one way in which we are able to ensure that Tourism’s interests are ensured at the table. Again, our officials do a very good job on that particular front.

The heritage resources, as well — we conduct a number of strategic planning exercises in the heritage resources. But I don’t want to deviate too much, because we are on the issue of parks, and I know how very important it is that we stay on track, Mr. Chair.

So with respect to parks, I have to say that regardless of our fine working relationship with our Yukon officials, I also have to say that on the federal front, perhaps further away in Ottawa, we do find it a bit of a concern with respect to perhaps the lack of understanding or the need to place more resources toward the protection and preservation of our parks. We see this time and time again. Auditor General Sheila Fraser in her report, for example, recently outlined the need for additional dollars to preserve our historic sites in place. And I tend to agree. I think that all of these different attractions and investments in these attractions play a significant role. We will continue to raise these issues at the federal level, as well as in our discussions with our various ministers of tourism around the table in pressing home the need to place more importance in preserving our parks.

Mr. Hardy:   Has the minister done any calculations around the impact a bridge in Dawson City would have upon the tourism market?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I believe the election was a great opinion poll that was held and, of course, one of the prominent things that stood out during the election was our commitment to proceed with the construction of a bridge across the Yukon River. We are very much committed to that, and within this budget there are resources allocated toward the development of this very significant piece of infrastructure.

I have to say, when we talk about infrastructure in our territory, the member opposite has raised a number of concerns regarding proceeding with this particular initiative. When we look back over the years, perhaps 25 years ago, before the Dempster Highway was constructed, for example, at that time there was some apprehension about proceeding with that particular piece of infrastructure. Some even labelled that as "the road to nowhere", just like the members opposite have alluded to the bridge as being "the bridge to nowhere".

Well, 25 years later, we’re celebrating the 25^th anniversary of the Dempster Highway. The Dempster Highway is known internationally. It’s the only road that crosses the Arctic Circle. It’s also a highway that connects the Yukon to many resources. It’s a major transportation corridor and it also provides a great degree of fulfillment for our visitor industry.

It has spectacular scenery, Mr. Chair, as I am sure you are familiar with, and we’re very pleased to again provide additional investments toward the Dempster Highway, whether that be upgrading of the highway or in pullouts or providing additional signage.

So, the Dawson bridge or the Yukon River bridge is another piece of infrastructure that I welcome. In 25 years’ time we’ll be celebrating perhaps a very momentous occasion, for which particular celebration I hope we’re all still around to enjoy. We’ll see the very benefits that this bridge will bring to all Yukoners by proceeding with its construction.

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Mr. Hardy:   I’m glad the cheering squad’s in here to prop her up after that ridiculous answer.

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Chair:   A challenge of the Chair is listening to adjectives, and in this case the term "ridiculous" does not seem conducive to critical debate. The Chair has cautioned people in the past about choices of language. I’m just asking members to be conscious of language and to work toward constructive debate.

Mr. Hardy:   Thank you, Mr. Chair. I will search my thesaurus to find words that describe answers that actually didn’t even answer the question that I asked. As a matter of fact, the minister refused to answer the question and should go on record as refusing to answer the question. I don’t understand why she refuses to answer the question.

I’m having a hard time making the leap from the Dempster Highway, this massive endeavour that was connecting something that wasn’t already there to connect. I can’t see hundreds and hundreds of miles of road connected to hundreds of metres of water crossing when there’s already a water crossing there. It’s not like the scenery is comparable or that people don’t experience the scenery already. It’s not like people can’t get to the other side and it’s going to open up things. It just boggles my mind that this comparison is here.

Now maybe in 25 years we’ll have a celebration of bridges and we can do that every year. This will be one of the minister’s initiatives that she’ll start maybe next week. We will start with each bridge in the territory and we will celebrate each bridge and have a marketing campaign around the bridge, each and every bridge. I don’t know how many bridges there are, but it should take us up to at least the year 3000. We can have these massive numbers of tourists come and hover around a crossing in some cases of maybe 20 feet. We’ll have to build huge campgrounds around them and maybe erect monuments to identify these bridges.

We do know, but I won’t say that it’s confirmed, but there’s the rumour that there is going to be a statue on the bridge in Dawson City. That statue happens to be of a person who presently sits in the Legislature, and I don’t think it’s going to be the Minister of Tourism. I have heard that it might be somebody else. Everybody who crosses the bridge will have to see this face and figure and it will be implanted in their mind. Now that might be a discouragement for tourists — I’m not sure. I don’t think I’m going to ask the minister if they’ve done a study on that, but the question I did ask was a very simple question: have there been any studies on the impacts, pro or con, in regard to building a bridge in Dawson City? That’s all I asked; it wasn’t that hard. Yes or no.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Again, the reason why I likened the Dempster Highway to the bridge across the Yukon River at Dawson City was to portray the very importance of infrastructure in our territory. Transportation is, believe it or not, the way people from all over the world come to the Yukon. They can fly to the Yukon, they can drive to the Yukon, they can take a cruise ship up to Alaska and drive to the Yukon. There are a number of different venues for coming to the Yukon, and, again, the bridge will serve as a very important piece of infrastructure in helping to grow and expand our tourism market in all four seasons.

As has been perhaps brought to light by members on our side of the House, we don’t seem to wince whenever we do invest $6 million in a bridge as part of the Shakwak funding agreement or when we spend $30 million in highway infrastructure in one given year.

Mr. Chair, it is very important that we maintain our infrastructure because if we don’t pay attention to our existing infrastructure and if we don’t build upon that existing infrastructure, we will lose our competitive advantage as a place to visit, to do business. Certainly that is not our intention on this side of the House. Rather, we like to place investments where we will see a rate of return on our initial investment, and we think that the bridge is a very good source of infrastructure that will help bring visitors to the Yukon during the summer as well as during the winter.

To that end, we will continue to work with the State of Alaska in providing that access across the Taylor Highway — Top of the World Highway on the Canadian side — to remain open during the winter months, again as a source of visitation from Alaska and people wishing to experience that part of the country. I happen to think that the Klondike region holds a lot of merit, not just simply for the gold rush history but the First Nation history and other attractions surrounding that area. I think investment in the Klondike region is a good thing and I applaud the minister responsible for putting the bridge into this particular budget. I applaud all members opposite, or I should say I applaud all members on this side of the House for voting for this budget. Unfortunately, the members opposite will not be voting for this budget and it’s very unfortunate because there are a lot of good things in this budget, in this Tourism budget. It’s very unfortunate that there isn’t more support for these initiatives because, Mr. Chair, these particular initiatives were requested by the industry, the Tourism Industry Association of the Yukon — additional dollars for product development to expand upon the product development strategy; additional dollars for marketing, as we have done — $500,000 in the tourism cooperative marketing fund. As for the $414,000 toward the visitor exit survey — we have placed a number of investments and we’re very pleased to receive accolades from industry.

When we talk about — again, whether it be product development, whether it be the visitor exit survey, or whether it be marketing dollars, we are very pleased to support tourism and I would certainly encourage the members opposite to support tourism as much as we do and certainly regard it as an industry of extreme potential in the territory.

Mr. Hardy:   Well, guess what. What was the question? I’m not sure if they’re listening on the other side. I’m not sure if this minister feels comfortable in answering questions. They’re very simple questions. I’m not sure if the script has been written and this is what we get for the rest of the day.

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Mr. Hardy:  And, yes, I agree with the Member for Lake Laberge: it’s a simplistic question and there’s nothing wrong with that. It should have a very simple answer like yes or no. That might be difficult for some members over there. That’s all right. Just to remind the minister that the $6 million being spent on the bridge, on Shakwak, happens to be U.S. money, and of course I don’t think we’ll be whinging on this side. I don’t think they’re whinging on that side either. What we’re talking about is Yukon money, taxpayers’. However, I’m going to give the minister another chance to answer the question. It’s so simple. Let’s see if she can shorten her answer down to about 15 minutes and maybe at the end of it tell me whether or not they’ve done any studies about the impact on tourism in Dawson City that a bridge may or may not have.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   We are listening, absolutely. We on this side of the House listen. Unfortunately I think the members opposite just don’t care to enjoy the answers we provide. It’s very unfortunate but they simply don’t agree with our agenda. They don’t agree with some of the positive initiatives we’ve outlined, so forgive me if I do tend to perhaps go on at length about the various initiatives because I’m very proud to talk about the initiatives that we continue to work on as a government. We have been in government for a year and a half and I think we’ve made great strides on a number of fronts.

That’s not to say that there isn’t room for improvement. There’s always room for improvement. But again, within this 2004-05 budget, we have been able to meet a number of our platform commitments, commitments that actually saw a number of our members elected, and that was based on the initiatives that were placed in our platform.

Again, we talk about the bridge and we talk about infrastructure as adding to our product, instilling growth, bringing visitors to the territory. You know, it’s unfortunate that the Member for Kluane doesn’t perhaps recognize the very benefits that the Shakwak funding does bring to the territory. Whether it is American money or Canadian money — we welcome all kinds of investment to the territory. In fact, we have to do a lot more investment in the territory.

Some Hon. Member:   Point of order.

Chair:   Mr. McRobb, on a point of order.

Mr. McRobb:   On a point of order, Mr. Chair, I believe it’s contrary to the House rules: that could incite argument. In this case, I think the minister’s words could really provoke a riot. At no time did I ever, ever suggest that Shakwak funding is not beneficial to our economy, especially the Kluane region. So I would ask you to rein in the minister and her language. Thank you.

Chair:   Order please. There is no point of order here. There is a dispute between members.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   What I was trying to point out is the very importance of investment dollars to the territory from outside the territory. I think it’s healthy to have dollars brought in to the Yukon to invest in infrastructure. So whether that may be, again, dollars from our neighbours to the south or whether that may be neighbours in other international fronts, we welcome investment in all fronts.

So, regardless of where the dollars do come from, this is a good thing and I am very supportive of the Shakwak funding that has been afforded to our territory over the last several years and, thanks to the very good efforts of our Minister of Highways and Public Works, he’ll continue to lobby the U.S. government to provide those necessary funds to enhance our highways.

Again, when we talk about infrastructure, I will refer to the Yukon River bridge — the bridge to nowhere, as the members opposite have unfortunately labelled that particular bridge. Unfortunately, they don’t recognize the benefits. The Klondike Visitors Association recognizes the very benefits; of course, they also recognize the very importance of tourism in the Yukon and, in particular, in the Klondike region, and they do a remarkable job in enhancing those messages to all Canadians and visitors Outside, and I commend them for that. I commend them also for their lobbying efforts over the years in providing dollars toward this piece of infrastructure that will, again, help enhance the tourism industry.

So, I think that this is a good investment, this is a good budget. We’re very proud to support initiatives including the bridge from nowhere, as the member opposite has alluded to. I look forward to its construction —

Some Hon. Member:   Point of order.

Chair:   Mr. Hardy, on a point of order.

Mr. Hardy:   I believe that the reference the minister just made is incorrect. There is no record of me making that statement.

Chair:   There is no point of order. There is a dispute among members.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   If the member opposite did not make reference to that remark, my apologies. But certainly remarks from across the way have been identified as "the bridge to nowhere". Again, our Department of Tourism and Culture — certainly all our government colleagues on this side of the House — take very great pride in the tourism industry in the Yukon. This is just but one additional piece of infrastructure that will help grow industry from here on out.

Mr. Hardy:   I’m going to take these long answers as a "no"; they haven’t done any studies. They haven’t gone to Dawson and polled the business community. They haven’t done any type of analysis on what kind of impact this bridge will have. That’s the only answer I can assume from the minister who absolutely refuses to address a very simple question. Obviously they haven’t done it, so I really have to wonder how this minister can stand and make statements about how beneficial the bridge will be when there has been no analysis done on it.

Chapter 13 of the Umbrella Final Agreement was referenced by the minister last year in regard to heritage funding. At that time the minister said that the federal government was not meeting its fiduciary responsibility for the heritage resource development. What is the status of funding from the federal coffers?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I thank the member opposite for this very important question. Chapter 13 addresses obligations on behalf of the Yukon government and the federal government to assist with the needs and requirements of developing First Nations culture and heritage in the Yukon. Ever since I was elected — and in particular placed in the post of Minister of Tourism and Culture — I have taken it upon myself to raise this very issue at the federal table with my ministers of tourism and culture around the country. Certainly I will continue to press upon the federal government to live up to its obligations.

We are engaged in a number of discussions at the table with the federal government and the First Nation governments in trilateral discussions and arrangements. There certainly are a number of these discussions taking place. Five of the nine self-governing First Nations have signed terms of reference and workplans developing strategic heritage plans for their First Nation’s traditional territory with Canada and Yukon. Those five First Nations include the First Nation of Na Cho Nyäk Dun, Teslin Tlingit Council, Vuntut Gwitchin First Nation, Champagne and Aishihik First Nations and the Tr’ondëk Hwëch’in and Han Nation, as well.

Mr. Chair, we continue to proceed with these discussions at this table. I will just step back to these discussions. The whole intent and purpose of these discussions is to come up with various strategic heritage plans for each of the First Nation governments. In addition, as the member opposite is fully aware, our government has and will continue to assist First Nation governments in developing First Nation cultural centres.

Again, within this budget, we have allotted $220,000 toward the four existing First Nation governments that have cultural centres within their traditional territories. This money will not only help lever additional funds from other governments, but it will help provide that stable funding necessary to ensure these centres continue and grow — again, a very important part of the product mix that we have to offer in the Yukon. On that front, just recently, in response to our request for comments and submissions from each of the First Nation governments to the proposed draft museum strategy, we had endeavoured to send copies of the draft strategy to each of the First Nation governments.

In response, we received a number of letters — five in particular from the various First Nation governments — expressing concern about the museum funding program that excluded First Nation cultural centres and the need to not exclude these centres, that perhaps the museums strategy could reflect those needs and aspirations of the First Nations and that it should be changed to reflect those very needs.

So in turn we were able to come up with a program very similar to the museum funding program, and I was able to announce that not long ago. We’re very happy to deliver on our commitment. At the same time, I also sent a letter to the Minister of Canadian Heritage, who was newly appointed to her position, reiterating our government’s commitment to our fiduciary obligations in the Umbrella Final Agreement and asking them to join with us and First Nation governments in developing a program that would particularly complement each other’s efforts and enhance our abilities to address these very needs.

We happen to see great merit in working together, government to government to government, in addressing some of these needs.

We will continue to raise these issues with the federal government. Unfortunately I recently received a letter from the federal minister in response to my original letter. Although I appreciated the promptness of their reply, it was more or less, "We are committed, but no dollars to follow."

So we will continue to press upon the federal government to meet their fiduciary responsibilities at not only the heritage table but also the justice table, and so forth, as outlined in the Umbrella Final Agreement.

Mr. Hardy:   It’s really sad news to hear that the federal Liberals are not honouring their agreement and not forwarding the money as they should, and I encourage the minister to continue fighting on behalf of all people of the Yukon and working with First Nations to ensure that that money comes forward as it is promised, as it is agreed to. It’s always distressing when you see somebody renege on promises.

Now, moving on, though, there are a lot of questions asked here but I know my colleagues have points to make as well.

What kind of timelines are we looking at for the exit survey that the minister has already referenced, the start/stop of it — when it starts, when it will be finished — and when is it going to be available for us?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   The visitor exit survey — as I understand it, there will be a — call it what you will — a trial run, so to speak, that will be offered in the Whitehorse International Airport. Excuse me, Mr. Chair, I’m just looking over at the member opposite and it’s very entertaining.

Mr. Chair, there will be a trial run next week, as I understand it, the first week of May. It will be delivered at the Whitehorse International Airport, and from that trial run we will obtain additional input from visitors as to what kinds of questions will be raised and what kinds of outcomes we expect to receive.

From that, as I understand it, by the end of May the visitor exit survey will be fully flowing in each of the regions and the results — or I should say the survey itself will be expected to wind up perhaps in September, mid-September, the end of September, and from there our research branch, in conjunction with the Bureau of Statistics, will work with industry to define those results.

Mr. Hardy:   I was looking through the Yukon monthly statistical review of March 2004 at the transportation section. It says, "The total number of travellers was down by 971, or 16.5 percent." The minister has indicated that this is going to be a — these are my own words, not hers — rebound year from last year, which was not a good year. Everybody in the industry knows that. It was talked about a lot. The minister has indicated that we are going to see a substantial increase in travellers, but anyway at this point we’re actually less than last year. Can the minister share with me her basis of reasoning around the increase that we should expect this year, and what it is going to be matched up to? Last year was a difficult year. Are we seeing it rebound to 2000 or 1999 or whatever is supposed to be anticipated and, if so, what is this based on? Because going from these figures right now, it does raise a slight concern in that we are down already. Those are my questions for the minister in this 15-minute answer.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I am very optimistic that we will do better than last year. With respect to defined results and numbers regarding visitor statistics, I’ve always said on the floor of the Legislature that I feel very apprehensive in making those predictions, because sometimes things occur. Certain events occur that are far beyond the reach of our territory and far beyond the reach of our country for that matter.

That was witnessed last year — and events following 9/11 as a case in point. My optimism that we will do better than last year is based on the very fact that we have not been struck perhaps by the number of influences that we were impacted by as a territory, and as a country for that matter, from last year. I feel very encouraged that we do have perhaps a stronger economy here in Canada as well as in the United States. I feel very enthused by the fly-drive market, which remained quite strong last year, and that was reflected by an almost 18-percent increase in the visitation via the charter air access from Frankfurt, Germany to Whitehorse, which will be kicking off very soon next month. The cruise market, for example — the representative of Holland America was on the radio the other day talking about Holland America’s presence and how they predict a 14-percent increase in their particular marketplace.

So I think we have a lot to be very optimistic and very enthused about. Certainly air access is very important to the growth of the industry, and from all accounts we’re very enthused, excited, about Air North’s initiatives providing great packages to the cities of Edmonton and Calgary, and Vancouver as well. More and more they’ve been able to partner with different operators in British Columbia, in Alberta and of course in the Yukon to provide people to the Yukon and to raise that very awareness about the tourism industry in the Yukon.

Again, through that additional funding — that additional $100,000 through the gateway cities initiative — we are very pleased to support those initiatives. So again I refer to the half-million-dollar fund that will in turn leverage another half a million dollars that will assist people in making their decision to come to the Yukon. I think that these investments of dollars that are placed in this particular budget well exceed an additional $1 million of investments in tourism in this budget. I think we stand a very grand opportunity of enhancing visitation to the Yukon.

While I am apprehensive about providing the member opposite with statistics for a various number of reasons, I as Minister of Tourism and Culture, though, feel very enthused and very encouraged because we can certainly expect to have a better season than we did last year.

With that said, I can’t speak on behalf of the rest of the country or what should happen in the rest of the world. We will continue to work with our partners in Alaska; we will continue to work with our partners in British Columbia, in Alberta and in the rest of the country through the Canadian Tourism Commission to ensure that visitation does increase. It’s very important that we work as a collective to help leverage those additional funds and to bring those additional investments to the territory that will result in more revenue, disposable income for Yukoners, which means money for Yukoners. So I am very enthused and encouraged by what I am hoping to be a better year than last year, although I can’t provide specifics in numbers.

Mr. Hardy:  I have a question, and I’m asking for the indulgence of the Chair and the minister opposite to ask this question because it’s more particular to a line item. I’m anticipating we may just deem the questions as we did in the last year’s, so if I could get their indulgence to do it.

I just noticed in looking through all the departments the amount of increase in the directorate. Under corporate services, it’s 11 percent; cultural services, 11 percent; marketing, 26 percent — could I have some rationale for the increase in that, please?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:  With respect to the member opposite’s question regarding the directorate in each of our branches, I refer to corporate services branch and the reflection of an 11-percent increase. This is primarily due to collective agreement impact and merit increases. For cultural services, under the directorate, an 11-percent increase, and this represents an increase mainly due to the First Nation heritage officer position that has been established in the cultural services branch. Under marketing directorate, we see a 26-percent increase, and this is primarily due again to collective agreement impact, but also dollars to go toward the upcoming TIAC event, the Tourism Industry Association of Canada.

We will be entering into a contribution agreement with TIA Yukon. That will be coupled with an event with the Canadian Tourism Commission to help showcase the rest of the Yukon.

Mr. Hardy:   I thank the minister for the response to that. I just have one other question here and that’s the policy for artwork. This has been discussed before. I know the minister is very familiar with it. She has talked about it. That’s a percentage allocation within the commissioning of new buildings — the building of them — to purchase art for the building. Now last year she had indicated that she was going to look at it. Could the minister tell me where she’s at right now?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I do recall the discussion and certainly artwork plays a very important role in any new facility or building going up. I think a number of discussions have to take place. Certainly one thing that comes to mind is the infrastructure associated with the Canada Winter Games, for example. Again, those are primarily discussions that have to take place with the City of Whitehorse, for example, and others, but I think with the host society we’ll be able to talk about those kinds of investments. Again, I think that the Canada Winter Games is an opportunity to showcase not just sports in the Yukon but culture, by all means, of course leading up to the 2010 Winter Olympics in Vancouver, British Columbia; again just another grand opportunity for the Yukon to build upon our work within the cultural industries, and that is exactly what we’ll continue to do.

Ms. Duncan:   I appreciate the opportunity to enter into the general debate on the Department of Tourism and Culture with the minister.

I would like to just begin a few questions this afternoon with regard to the air industry. We’ve had many discussions in this Legislature about the turbulence the air industry has been through in the last year and more — actually, more than a year. It has been a very difficult time here in the Yukon, in some respects, in terms of the reduction of Air Canada service. It has also been very positive in terms of the introduction of the Air North service, especially to Alberta, with our close connection there. Could the minister provide an update of any current initiatives underway with our air carriers? And we had the discussion in the supplementary about what carriers were coming this summer, and if there are any talks ongoing to add other carriers from Europe. So if I can just have an update from the minister on the status of our air industry and our air access, I’d appreciate that.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   As I believe I have said on a number of occasions, air access is very important to the Yukon, not just for Yukoners but visitors alike. Again, we will continue to work with our existing carriers and tour operators to meet the very challenging world of air industry these days. Air Canada, as the member opposite knows full well, is unfortunately currently under bankruptcy protection. They’re working on a restructuring plan. We remain quite optimistic as Air Canada continues in its efforts, and we encourage all parties to work together toward a resolution.

Again we work on the assumption that we will have air carriers in the territory — Air North and Air Canada — and we continue to work with both air carriers in ensuring we do have affordable and accessible air access.

We’ve been able to demonstrate our ability to sustain viable and affordable air access for both domestic and international visitors and we remain very confident we’ll be able to sustain that particular service.

We also continue to have discussions with Zip to improve our services. Last fall, as the member opposite is probably aware, there was a reduction in flights coming into the Yukon on a daily basis, going from two to one during the winter season. As I have said on occasion, it’s not so much a problem surrounding capacity but it has always been one of connectivity. We still continue to work, to this day, with our tour operators to lobby Air Canada, as well as Air North, to help us meet those timely connections as well as help us work with the international carriers to ensure we have timely service and very accessible and convenient service that will help attract visitors — for example, from Asia, whether from Osaka or Nagoya, Japan. We certainly need stability in our air industry, and we need affordable air access. Between the two air carriers, we have been able to achieve that.

With that said, there’s a lot more room for improvement, but I feel very comfortable regarding what is taking place. We look at Air North and Air Canada and see a very positive outlook for the coming peak tourist season, you could say.

I think it’s important to know that once all the airlines begin their summer services capacity, volume will increase in particular on Tuesdays and Thursdays at our Whitehorse Airport with five large aircraft arrivals, two each by Air North and Air Canada and one by Condor, of course, with inbound capacity of over 650 passengers. So that in itself speaks volumes about visitors coming from our European market as well as from our domestic market and the gateway cities of Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. We of course will continue to explore all options with our two existing carriers to provide winter service that meets Yukoners’ needs but also meets the needs of our visitors as well.

Again, Air North is certainly working on some very exciting initiatives. They’re looking at other reservation systems that will be more palatable to the international market — Air North, of course, and some Whitehorse hotels. They also launched a campaign this spring to help target those residents living in our gateway cities to come to the Yukon during perhaps our shoulder spring season. This again helps stimulate the activity and of course also raises awareness about the Yukon as a definite place to visit.

So certainly we will continue to work with our air carriers. Condor flights, for example, are going to be running from May 18 to September 28, so we’re very excited about them returning to the Yukon. Of course, we will continue to work with our general sales agents in both the U.K. and Germany to work with our international carriers at all levels and to see how we can work together with our existing carriers and tour operators in providing packages to our visitors.

Ms. Duncan:   Mr. Chair, I’d like to focus with a couple of direct questions and follow up with the minister. First of all, there was a gateway cities marketing program involving Air North and then subsequently Air Canada. I would just ask the minister to refresh my memory. Is there gateway cities marketing money in this budget, in partnership with both airlines? If so, how much is it, and what sort of assessment do we have of that particular marketing program’s effectiveness or return on investment to date?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   As the member opposite knows, we just invested an additional $100,000 to the gateway cities initiative, bringing it to a total of $200,000, to where its original investment was. This initiative is to draw visitors from our gateway cities. As I just outlined, Air North has certainly done a great job in the past, helping to enhance that visitation from those markets.

As I understand, I believe the member opposite has a copy of that tourism marketing conversion study, and it does outline that the program stimulated $1.4 million in direct visitor spending over the last two years. So certainly we are receiving bang for our dollar, so to speak, and there are discussions right now with Zip, and they have also particularly expressed an interest in taking part in some of these initiatives under the gateway cities initiative. Before Zip was on the horizon, there wasn’t perhaps as much of an interest to come to the table, but now there is, and so I think that this additional funding will also help them both to participate in conjunction with our tour operators.

Ms. Duncan:   If I’ve heard the minister correctly, $200,000 is going to be spent on the gateway cities marketing program. Is that money going to be spent equally between Zip and Air North, and is it a cost-shared initiative? By that I mean does the airline put in $50,000 and the government $50,000 matching funds, or is it strictly a grant program for these airlines?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I thank the member opposite for that question. As I understand, those discussions surrounding gateway cities marketing monies have just begun with Zip and Air North for this 2004-05 budget, so I’m not able to provide any definitive figures regarding the distribution of numbers. Again, the marketing campaign will include some broadcast and print media, billboards, travel trade events, consumer shows, trade promotions, travel agent sales calls, e-marketing initiatives, direct mail, media and public relations in a partnership program. So we will continue and expand upon these particular campaigns.

Ms. Duncan:   Have there been any discussions with WestJet by the Government of Yukon?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I cannot answer that question definitively. I’m not aware at this time; however, I do know we have a travel trade unit in place in our Department of Tourism and Culture under the marketing branch, and certainly we continue to work with all partners in talking about expressed interest from other carriers. But with respect to specific discussions that have taken place, I cannot say at this time, although, you know, whenever there are requests for information or requests for expression of interest in doing business in the Yukon, certainly we’ll sit down and talk.

Ms. Duncan:   Has the minister had any face-to-face discussions with Air Canada — by Air Canada, I’m including Zip — with respect to these issues of connectivity and service to the Yukon? Have there been face-to-face discussions?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Indeed I have had several discussions with the president and CEO of Zip. When that announcement was made last fall by Zip to reduce its air service by one flight to one flight a day, the Department of Tourism and Culture immediately engaged with tourism operators and representatives from industry associations to work with Zip and to express our concerns regarding the lack of notice about these changes and regarding the impact that these changes would have, especially on our international markets to Japan during the winter aurora season.

As a result of that unfortunate event that took place, it did bring ourselves as a department to work with Air North and Zip. We had a number of conference calls with the CEO and president of Zip and many representatives of Air Canada across the country, whether it be in baggage, ticketing and marketing sales, or whatnot.

I’ve had three meetings in person with the president and CEO of Zip, who I now understand has taken another position in Air Canada as of last night. But I took the opportunity to meet with that individual not only in Vancouver but here in Whitehorse on two separate occasions.

Again, every opportunity I have to sit down with our air carriers to talk about ways we can partner and ways we can provide more secure and accessible service, I will do that.

Ms. Duncan:   Mr. Chair, the minister stated that we have one airline arriving this summer from Europe — Condor — and there is a point during the summer months where we will have five large aircraft going through the Whitehorse Airport: two from Air North, two from Air Canada, one from Condor. There have been times when there have been bottlenecks at the airport, with Customs and arrivals and departures. Has the minister made representation to her colleague, who has responsibility for the airport and representations to these airlines so that we can stagger their arrival and departure times in order to avoid any bottlenecks at the airport, where we have seen long lineups and issues of people unable to provide the type of customer service they would like to provide and want to give our visitors. There have been bottlenecks there. So have there been discussions with the minister responsible for the airport and with the airlines to ensure that, where we can, we’ve staggered the arrival times?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Mr. Chair, I think it’s important to point out that we have had similar arrangements in place for a number of years. With the introduction of new aircraft arriving in the Yukon, it was certainly less than desirable at first, because as with any change, perhaps we’re not as prepared as we should be. But since that time we’ve been able to accommodate the influx of visitors, and I remain confident that we will be able to again accommodate our visitors.

Would I like to see five flights a day coming into the Yukon? Absolutely. But currently it happens to be that on Tuesdays and Thursdays we will have an increase in the influx of visitors via air carriers, and again, by and large, these schedules are set by the air carriers, which are privately owned, and they do make their decisions based on connectivity — whatever makes the most sense for each of the air carriers.

So again, I feel very confident that we will be able to maintain and accommodate those visitors arriving to the Yukon, particularly to our airport, and I look forward to seeing our increased visitation.

Ms. Duncan:   I appreciate the minister enjoys discussing tourism; however, I would appreciate a direct answer to the question, which unfortunately I didn’t get in the last answer. She originally stated that this summer we would see on certain days five large aircraft arriving at a given point in time. Yes, I appreciate that there were problems at the beginning, but over time there have been some bottlenecks. All I asked was: has there been representation made to ensure that the minister responsible for the airport, which is infrastructure, highways, public works — her colleague who sits behind her, the Member for Riverdale South — is made aware to monitor the situation, and also if she had discussions with these airlines. Air North is Yukon’s airline. Have we spoken with Air North and said, "Let’s make sure Condor’s arrival time is such and such this summer". Have we dealt with it? All I was looking for was a straightforward "Yes, we have" — or the member opposite is imagining things; I don’t see the problem that way. Either one would be fine. The long dissertation on tourism is not a direct answer to the question. In the interest of debate, I just would like a direct answer.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   The Minister of Highways and Public Works is very much aware of airports in the Yukon. The administration of airports is certainly under his purview — very much so. Our department officials are in continual contact with department officials from Highways and Public Works, and we’ll continue to work with them on an ongoing basis to accommodate the influx of visitors.

As I have repeated — and I will repeat for the member opposite’s benefit — the decisions made by our air carriers are made, by and large, based on accommodating air schedules, connectivity issues with other carriers on the domestic and international front. These arrangements have been in place for a number of years and I feel very confident that we will continue to accommodate our visitors. With respect to enhancing air access, again, would I like to see five air carriers coming in each day of the week? Absolutely. But until we actually reach that point, we will continue to accommodate air carriers coming into the Yukon on these particular days, and we certainly look forward to working with our air carriers. Our department officials are in constant contact with both Air North and Zip. I know that there have been almost weekly discussions on a number of fronts, and certainly this area has also received some attention.

Ms. Duncan:   The German standing offer agreement for our agent in Germany is currently out to tender. Could I have the closing date for that tender, please, and an anticipation from the minister of when it will be awarded?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   The contract with the German sales agent closed on April 19, so it will be awarded very soon.

Ms. Duncan:   Does the minister have a closer idea than "very soon" — mid-May, perhaps; end of May? Does the minister have a clearer idea than "very soon"?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Soon.

Ms. Duncan:   The agency of record, we are in year 2 of a three-year agreement — is the department working on developing a tender for this to be let well in advance of the conclusion of this agreement?

And for the record, the "soon" answer is neither respectful to the Legislature nor to Yukoners nor to this side opposite.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I do my utmost to be respectful at all times, but "soon" is the best answer I can provide on my feet.

With respect to the member opposite’s question about our agency of record, I understand we are in the second year; therefore, we do have a full year to become ready for the tendering of that particular agreement.

Ms. Duncan:   Mr. Chair, if the tender closed on April 19, it’s entirely possible and appropriate to estimate that it might take a month to award; it might take six months. Either of those answers would have indicated an understanding that the question was asked in good faith on behalf of Yukoners.

Year 2 of a three-year agreement means that there should be an ongoing evaluation process and a sense that a tender is being developed. It takes a long time, and selecting our agency of record is quite a lengthy process. Has work begun on developing the new tender? I appreciate there is time to do that. It does take time to select an agency of record. It’s a very, very important position and contract on behalf of the Yukon, and if there is no work begun or if the work is not going to begin until this fall, then that’s fair enough. I’m just asking when the department anticipates undertaking that work.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Our current agreement is in place until September 30, 2005, so we actually have well over a year until the replacement of this contract or renewal of the contract, whichever should take place. Again, for the member opposite’s benefit, sooner to that date, over the course of the next year and some months, we will endeavour, in consultation with the Yukon tourism marketing partnership, to come up with terms of reference, perhaps to look at the renewal of this contract. We do consult with industry on this contract, what improvements can be made, places to enhance, and we’ll certainly do that in due course.

Ms. Duncan:   The visitor exit survey is being undertaken again this year, and there’s money in the budget for it. This has been undertaken many times by the department, and it is being treated in the budget speech and in the budget discussions as a new initiative, although it has been done many times before. Is there anything new in terms of questions we’re asking or the way the survey is being conducted? What are the changes from previous visitor exit surveys?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   A number of visitor exit surveys have taken place over the last number of years. The last survey that took place was in 1999. We try our very best to conduct these surveys on a five-year cycle, which has been the current practice over the last couple of decades, as I understand it.

As I mentioned earlier in response to the leader of the official opposition’s question, we will be first conducting a trial run to take place in the Whitehorse International Airport next week to confirm the various questions to be asked of our visitors, and that will give us a better sense of what information we are looking for. In addition, we have been consulting with the various industry associations and with our various governments to get a better sense from each of these entities as to what information we’re looking for and how we can couch the questions in such a way that we’re able to garner accurate and relevant information that industry is looking for.

While the exit survey is not a new initiative, it is a new initiative in the 2004-05 budget. It’s an initiative that was specifically requested by Tourism Industry Association of the Yukon, and it’s an initiative that will put some 30 individuals to work over the course of the summer and will provide us with a clear understanding of the various visitors coming here to the Yukon — who they are, where they’re from, how they learned about our destination, how they got here, what they do while they’re here, how much they spend, how satisfied they are, the types of experiences they’re looking for and so forth.

So I certainly welcome this initiative. It is $414,000 to be spent and it does include regional surveys, as well, very similar to previous surveys. We very much look forward to seeing the results of this survey.

Ms. Duncan:   My specific question is: what new questions might be asked in this survey that haven’t been asked before. I didn’t get an answer to that question. I understand it’s going through a trial run, so are we trying out a new question? I didn’t get a direct answer.

Industry, First Nation governments, municipal governments have all had input into this survey in the past and have made suggestions. For example, the City of Whitehorse might have wanted asked, "What would make you stay longer in the City of Whitehorse? Is there some service we’re missing?" The current city council might have asked the Department of Tourism to include questions about transit in downtown. I’m looking to find out what new questions might be asked. Quite often the Tourism Industry Association is interested in what products our visitors are looking for. I appreciate that there’s just a trial run of these questions. What has been the request by First Nation governments, municipal governments and industry of new items to include in the visitor exit survey this year?

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   If the member opposite is asking me if I’ve actually worked with the research branch in the marketing branch to actually go over the questions, no, I have not. It’s primarily an operational matter and I tend not to get involved in operational matters. I certainly support the work of the research unit. They are the experts. They’re the ones who have the expertise and the opportunity to work with our various stakeholders and governments, and that is exactly what they have been doing over the course of the last two or three months — seeking the input of the various stakeholders to come up with a number of proposed sets of questions to raise with our visitors.

Again, a test run or a test drive will be presented at the airport starting next week. I suppose if the member opposite wanted to go to the airport to perhaps try out the exit survey, I certainly welcome her to, but with respect to the specific questions, I do not know.

Ms. Duncan:   Thank you, Mr. Chair. I appreciate that answer from the minister. Could I ask the minister to have officials, then, just send over a letter? I’m interested in what new information the industry has asked the department to get in the visitor exit survey. So if I could just ask for a letter that outlines generally what sort of information they’re looking for beyond what we’ve always asked, I would appreciate that, and thank you very much.

The funding for the Dawson City Arts Society, DCAS, $250,000 this year — this is a year-to-year contribution. Rather than get into a line-by-line debate, this has been a very effective organization for Dawson. They’ve made a tremendous contribution in terms of diversifying the economy. What is the current contribution agreement outline for specifically? Is it buildings? Is it specific initiatives? I’m also interested in what accountability measures we might have in that regard.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   Regarding the leader of the third party’s request for a copy of the questions once they have been finalized for the visitor exit survey, I would be very happy to provide her and the other members opposite with a copy of the schedule and questionnaire when it becomes available.

With respect to the recommendation, while I’m on my feet, I’d just be happy to answer. With respect to the general sales agent and the tender for that particular contract for Germany, a recommendation will be made next week. So, the decision will be made, I guess, within a week to a week and a half.

On the tendering process for the agency of record, we will start early this fall for clarification. I hope that answers the member’s question.

Also, I — thank you, I just lost my train of thought. As was committed to during the territorial election in 2002, our government has come through on the commitment to increase the annual operating funding to KIAC from $100,000 to $250,000, and this is reflected in the 2004-05 budget as well.

Of course, as the member opposite knows full well, they do offer a number of different programs from the arts for employment program, to providing a various number of arts classes in the Klondike region, to providing an artists retreat, so to speak.

So, certainly, the overall vision for KIAC, the Klondike Institute of Art and Culture, more importantly, is to become a fully accredited post-secondary arts institution for the Yukon. So we are working with KIAC toward this long-term goal. It does require input from a number of different stakeholders b