Speaker:   I will now call the House to order. We will proceed at this time with prayers.

Speaker:   We will proceed at this time with the Order Paper.

Tributes.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   I rise today to pay special tribute to Yukon workers who have passed away or who have been injured at work. Today, April 28, is the annual Day of Mourning, a national day of remembrance that is observed in every Canadian territory and province and in more than 80 countries around the world.

The purpose of the Day of Mourning is to make us all more aware of the terrible consequences of workplace accidents and illnesses and to strengthen our efforts and resolve to prevent them.

In 2003, more than 900 workers died from workplace injuries or occupational disease in Canada. Mr. Speaker, one of those was a Yukon worker. Since 1992, twenty-one people have died with work-related issues here in the Yukon. On this Day of Mourning, people are invited to make special personal gestures to show their support for the safety of their loved ones at work. They can do such things as leave their porch lights on all night or display lights or candles in their windows.

I encourage all Yukoners to pay tribute in a way that feels appropriate for them.

I understand, Mr. Speaker, that after these tributes from all sides of the House, you will be asking us to rise for a moment of silence.

Thank you.

Mr. Cardiff:   I rise on behalf of the official opposition in recognition of the 20^th annual Day of Mourning for workers killed or injured on the job. We join the government, the Canadian Labour Congress, Yukon Federation of Labour, and the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board to remember those who have been injured or killed on the job and the suffering of their loved ones.

In 1984, the Canadian Labour Congress declared an annual day of remembrance and asked us each year to publicly renew our commitment to mourn the dead and to remember their families, friends and neighbours and to publicly renew our commitment to fight for the living by establishing safe working conditions.

Job-related injuries and death have a high social and economic impact, causing great hardships for families and friends of those injured or lost on the job.

Some of those at greatest risk in the workplace are youth. Current information shows that over 50 percent of young workers in Canada receive little or no health and safety training at work. More young people die of injuries than all other causes combined. Young workers face the greatest risk of workplace injury during their first six months on the job, and they experience six times as many injuries in their first month of employment than at any other time.

I’d like to take this opportunity to commend the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board for its efforts in addressing these disturbing facts. They’re doing that by working with youth groups, educators, unions and employers to provide training and information to young workers and, where possible, young people before they enter the workforce. They do this by showing a workplace awareness video, which we had the opportunity to see over at the ceremony this afternoon. It’s called Lost Youth, and it’s being shown in Yukon schools, and it helps educate youth before they enter the workforce about workplace safety and their rights in the workplace.

Another initiative is the passport to safety initiative that’s supported by the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board, and it’s intended to help eliminate needless injuries and preventable deaths of young Canadians, aged 24 and under. Passport to safety supports the vision that our children enter and then return home from safe workplaces every day.

I’d also like to applaud the efforts of employers in the Yukon Territory who are providing occupational health and safety practices and workplace training to their employees and congratulate those employers who have signed on to the passport to safety initiative and encourage those who haven’t to do so.

Since 1991, 23 workers in the territory have lost their lives and over 15,000 Yukoners have experienced some sort of work-related injury or illness. Last year, Canadians saw more than 900 workers die from workplace injuries and illness, and here in the Yukon a helicopter pilot lost his life on the job.

Workers continue to face high-risk situations where their lives are in danger. The need remains to educate workers and the general public and employers about the benefits of high standards for occupational health and safety practices.

As legislators, we have a responsibility to step up to the plate now and enact modern legislation and occupational health and safety regulations that promote safer workplaces and prevent injuries and loss of life.

On behalf of the official opposition, I’d like to make a public commitment to support workers’ rights to a safe working environment and support the rights of workers to refuse work that they believe to be unsafe.

Thank you.

Ms. Duncan:   Today we mark the annual Day of Mourning for workers who have been killed, injured or diseased on the job. This national day of remembrance was founded in 1984 by the Canadian Labour Congress, and the aim of the day is to raise awareness of the tragic consequences of workplace accidents and to publicly renew our commitment to fight for the living as well as mourn for the dead.

This Day of Mourning is about a commitment to safer workplaces, as well as remembering those who were killed, injured or diseased on the job. The annual observance of this day should strengthen our resolve to establish safe working conditions, and I would especially like in my tribute to recognize the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board and their commitment to the passport to safety program that was mentioned just moments ago. This program especially highlights the need to reduce the rate of serious injury and death among young Canadian workers. Often our young workers feel that they are somewhat invincible and that it can’t happen to them.

There was a video mentioned by the Member for Mount Lorne that was done in British Columbia, our neighbour and very close to home. That video was shown at the Yukon Chamber of Commerce meeting last fall in Haines and I had the opportunity to view it then. I would strongly encourage — nay, Mr. Speaker, make it mandatory that all young workers view the video, the parents as well, and employers, and I will commend to the young Yukoners I know personally the passport to safety program and their employers. I encourage in the strongest possible terms all members of this Legislature to encourage young Yukoners to view the video and to examine the passport to safety program.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker:   I ask all members of the House, in honour of the Day of Mourning, to please rise for a moment of silence.

Speaker:   Are there any further tributes?

Introduction of visitors.

Are there any returns or documents for tabling?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   I have for tabling information regarding the Children’s Act review, a contact list for the Children’s Act review project team, a consultation plan, the First Nation governance background paper and discussion guides.

Hon. Mr. Lang:   I have for tabling a legislative return responding to a question asked by the Member for Porter Creek South.

I also have for tabling today the Yukon government Highways and Public Works contract summary report from 2003-04.

Hon. Ms. Taylor:   I also have for tabling a letter to the Member for Mount Lorne with respect to grants paid annually to municipalities for the period 2000-04.

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   I have for tabling today, by request of the leader of the official opposition and the leader of the third party, detailed information in regard to the Department of Finance.

Speaker:   Are there any further returns or documents for tabling?

Are there any reports of committees?

Are there any petitions?

Are there any bills to be introduced?

Are there any notices of motion?

Mr. Hassard:   I give notice of the following motion:

THAT this House urges the Government of Yukon to continue the Yukon film incentive program, which has successfully attracted a number of film productions and to continue working with the industry to enhance Yukon competitiveness.

Mr. Cardiff:   I give notice of the following motion:

THAT it is the opinion of this House that

(1) Yukon workers deserve to be protected from the risk of injury in the workplace;

(2) new workplace safety regulations under the Occupational Health and Safety Act have been developed as a result of an extensive four-year consultation process;

(3) the minister responsible for the Yukon Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board has not taken the necessary steps to bring these new occupational health and safety regulations into effect;

(4) the minister has incorrectly associated these regulations with the review of the Workers’ Compensation Act, which is itself running behind the minister’s deadline; and

THAT this House urges the minister responsible for the Yukon Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board to do what is necessary to bring the new safety regulations into effect without further delay in order to provide a safer work environment for Yukon workers.

Mr. Cathers:   Mr. Speaker, I rise to give notice of the following motion:

THAT this House urges the Government of Yukon to implement a cooperative education program to assist Yukon post-secondary education students in gaining work skills and work experience by giving them hiring priority for job placements within the Yukon government and Yukon College.

Speaker:   Are there any further notices of motion?

Is there a statement by a minister?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   I rise today as both Minister of Education and as minister responsible for the Public Service Commission to inform the House of a new cooperative education program for Yukon post-secondary students.

The program stems from two important platform commitments: the first is to provide Yukon students with the skills they need to be prepared for the realities of life after school, and the second is to make sure that Yukon post-secondary students are given hiring priorities for Yukon government jobs.

Gaining access to job opportunities is often a catch-22 situation for young people. They can’t qualify for many jobs without a post-secondary education but graduation doesn’t give them a guarantee of employment. Many college and university graduates have a hard time getting their foot in the door because, while they have the knowledge base, they often lack the practical work experience employers are seeking.

Co-op programs bridge this gap, Mr. Speaker. They give students an opportunity to gain valuable work experience related to their field of study and to earn academic credit for the work they do. Employers know that co-op programs are an important recruiting tool, particularly in hard-to-recruit professions such as engineering and health.

The demographics of the Canadian workforce are changing dramatically. As more workers reach retirement age there are fewer qualified young people ready to take their places.

In the Yukon government, the same trend is emerging — 63 percent of all Yukon government employees are between the ages of 40 and 59. The new co-op education program makes it possible for government departments and Yukon College to set up co-op placements to fit their individual programs and recruitment needs.

While departments have already identified several positions that they are considering over the next six months, the actual number of cooperative jobs over the coming year will depend on further department needs. In fact, the cooperative program is different from other job experience programs, in that it offers year-round job experience opportunities and not just summer jobs.

The terms guiding the co-op education program are contained in the new job experience programs policy, which amalgamates all existing employment programs. The other employment programs covered by the policy include Head Start, Yukon youth conservation corps, conservation action team, student training employment program, computer camp program, and youth exploring trades.

All these are managed by individual departments. Yukon students can access some of these programs as high school students, and others as post-secondary students, and they can gain experience.

Our long-term hope is that the co-op program will contribute to encouraging more young people to return home to the Yukon to start their careers.

Speaker:   Thank you, Mr. Minister; your time is up.

Mr. Hardy:   This may be a good move — providing opportunity to Yukon youth in the government but, like most things, the devil’s in the details and, at the end of the day, we’ll measure it by its successes. To be frank, I do have some concerns about an announcement like this, because there are so many outstanding issues that still have to be dealt with. We get a ministerial statement in the House in regard to this and yet, today, we’re talking about OH&S. We’ve already heard the Member for Mount Lorne bring up a motion on OH&S — four years in the making. This is to protect the workers coming into the workplace, and we cannot even get a ministerial statement on the floor in regard to that, which may prevent injury to young people entering the workplace — but we get a cooperative announcement. I find that a little disturbing.

We have to question why that’s being held back. Also, Mr. Speaker, there have been cuts in territorial job placements in the trades. This government has made cuts to the previous historic numbers in which tradespeople were brought in to work with the government and train through that and serve their apprenticeships.

As well, there has been a lowering of the training funds that are so necessary to train the young people of today and retrain other people. They are not at the historic highs that they like to indicate; they’re nowhere near it; they’ve fallen behind. We have lots of concerns around that.

If you really look at the numbers in the government workplace today, what are we looking at? We’re looking at 3,824 active employees in the Yukon Territory. As an aside, Mr. Speaker, I can assure that minister across the way — the minister responsible for Public Service Commission — that every one of those employees knows about this minister and the actions that were taken by him last year.

But let’s look at those numbers. This year, a breakdown of the appointments under the Public Service Act: permanent was 669 jobs. Good. But then let’s take a closer look: terms, 123 jobs. Now, these are not permanent. Let’s look at casual: 410 jobs. Auxiliary: 307. Compare those numbers, auxiliary and casual, 717 hires. Permanent term: 792 hires.

Is there a future in the territory for people who work for this government, knowing they get good benefits and long-term jobs? That’s questionable. Is there a future in the government, knowing that they may be subject to an investigation that infringes upon their privacy? That’s questionable.

We have a lot of concerns about this and we would like to see more detail and not an announcement that doesn’t have the substance that is so necessary. We’re not sure if it guarantees Yukon people getting jobs, as the minister across the way said.

I don’t see how — as the minister had indicated — this announcement is going to make sure that Yukon post-secondary students are given hiring priority for Yukon government jobs. I would like to see the details around that and what’s going to guarantee it, because as far as I can see this is not Yukon hire; if anything, it’s an attempt to get some good-news stories out of a government that has been stumbling out of the blocks and continues to stumble.

Ms. Duncan:   I rise on behalf of the Liberal caucus to respond to the ministerial statement on cooperative education. The idea and the notion to provide Yukon students with the skills they need to be prepared for the realities of life after school and the idea that Yukon post-secondary students are given hiring priority for Yukon government jobs is music to many people’s ears — many young people and individuals throughout the government and parents of those young individuals.

However, it’s music to the ears that reminded me of a rock band in the 1970s, and many people in this Legislature are of a vintage to remember that rock band called "Cheap Trick". That was the name of the band. This music had a very good beat; however, this ministerial statement, which also had some good messages, should also be looked at as a bit of a political ploy, and I’d like to set the stage for that music.

This government has shown a complete aversion to ministerial statements — a complete aversion to them. They have not delivered a great many. They have, however, today. When we can spend our time this afternoon discussing a motion about education brought forward by others, and others who would have an opportunity to deliver their message to the public, we’re spending time talking about the government and what they are doing, but it is not a new initiative.

Another part of this message is the lack of the details. The lack of details is what makes this ministerial statement difficult to support. The music may have a good beat, Mr. Speaker, but what are the words saying? Sometimes, some of the lyrics are offensive to some people once they have heard them.

The difficulty with this ministerial statement, as has been noted, is first of all in the timing. The Premier promised a constructive, working-with-the-opposition type of legislature. When the opposition is bringing forward reasonable, constructive suggestions, give them an opportunity to be heard by the Yukon public. Let’s not repackage old ideas and chew up House time without providing the details that are necessary to encourage the support for what is a good idea — a good idea that has been practised by other governments.

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   Quite frankly, I didn’t expect much more of a response. However, I can tell you today, as minister, that I’m very pleased. I’m so happy I could almost do a jig on the floor of the House, because we are committed to the students and to the education of the Yukon Territory. This is no ploy, and this is not showing any disrespect for the trades.

Mr. Speaker, this government has put $1 million into the base grant of the Yukon College. That’s something neither party across the floor had the ambition to do. This government has also put forward one of the biggest Education budgets ever in the history of the Yukon Territory, which I am very pleased to announce, once again stating the commitment of this government toward the citizens of the Yukon Territory.

Mr. Speaker, this government does not live in a negative world. I heard negative comments from across the way. This government is about improving the situation of today, and if we can do that, as a government, we definitely are going to do that. I tell you today that regardless of what members across the way are saying about newspapers, if that’s their bible, then let them believe in it.

I say today that we have some very important things happening in society today that haven’t been mentioned. For example, the Whitehorse Correctional Centre, working with advanced education, has over the winter provided three training programs for the inmates. So we do care. We care about every citizen in this territory — not only the ones who are achieving high academic standards in the high schools and universities, but we also care about the ones that are having problems on their life path today. Every one is important to this government, and our actions prove it. It’s not just a word of mouth. Anyone can look in the Yukon College paper that is available and read what this government is doing for people in the Yukon Territory.

The other thing that’s important about this Whitehorse Correctional Centre initiative is that this government instructed the advanced education and Whitehorse Correctional Centre to have the inmates strike an education committee and let them decide what they need in their programming.

This government complied with their request. So, Mr. Speaker, regardless of what is said across the floor or what’s written in the newspapers, I am one proud camper today to be able to stand on the floor of this Legislature and say that this government is doing one good job, as far as I’m concerned.

Speaker:   Prior to Question Period, the Chair will deliver a ruling on a point of order raised yesterday.

During Question Period the leader of the official opposition said, "There seems to be no limit to what members of this government will do to discredit people they don’t like." He also referred to the government as "intolerant and vindictive."

The government House leader raised a point of order under Standing Order 19(g), the attribution of a false or unavowed motive to another member. It is not clear to the Chair that the issue is one of motive. However, it is clear that the language used by the leader of the official opposition was unparliamentary. Standing Order 19(i) says the Speaker shall call a member to order if that member uses abusive or insulting language in a context likely to create disorder. Likewise, Guideline 8 of our Guidelines for Oral Question Period says a question must not contain inferences, impute motives or casting aspersions upon persons within the House or out of it.

The Chair will also remind members of the statement given by the Chair of Committee of the Whole on Monday of this week. At that time, the Chair of Committee of the Whole said he appreciated that members have strongly held views that they wish to express. At the same time, the Chair reiterated that the presiding officers have a duty — bestowed upon them by this House — to maintain order and decorum.

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Speaker:   Am I interrupting you?

As the Chair noted, members have expressed a desire to elevate the level of decorum in this Chamber.

Strong language, like that used yesterday by the leader of the official opposition, has a tendency to incite a similar response. This leads to disorder where members begin making derogatory comments about one another rather than discussing the issues before them.

Members know that this House is not the only avenue in which they can express their opinions; however, when they are in this House, they must adhere to the proprieties of the House. The Chair does not believe that any member — on either side of the House — would want to be described in the manner employed by the leader of the official opposition.

Similarly, the Chair would like to make a statement about the question raised by the leader of the third party yesterday. At that time, the member asked if changes to the Liquor Act were not forthcoming "because of opposition from MLAs who have a financial interest in seeing that neighbourhood pubs stay banned?"

Members will recall that on April 8 the Chair gave a lengthy statement regarding allegations of conflict of interest. That statement set out the proper procedure to be followed when members wish to address conflict of interest issues. One of those procedures is to lay a complaint with the Conflicts Commissioner pursuant to paragraph 17(d) of the Conflict of Interest (Members and Ministers) Act.

The procedure to be followed when a member feels it is necessary to place allegations about another member’s actions before the House is to bring forward a motion containing the charge being made and a proposal for dealing with it. It is not in order to merely interject such an allegation into any other proceeding than debate on such a motion.

The leader of the third party assured the Chair that she did not intend to suggest a conflict of interest. However, if members consult the Blues they can see how such an allegation could be inferred. The Chair suggests, therefore, that members exercise caution in the language they use when dealing with matters raised in this House.

We will now proceed with Question Period.

Mr. Hardy:   I am sure this is going to be no surprise to the Minister of Health and Social Services that I am asking a question about last night. Last night I had the opportunity to hear the minister address the annual general meeting of the Yukon Anti-Poverty Coalition. In his remarks, the minister indicated he has some changes in store for the territory’s social assistance program.

I was pleased to hear the minister’s plan to increase social assistance rates for single moms and families and for people with disabilities — very good news. But some of the minister’s other ideas warrant a question or two. Who did the minister consult with before deciding to pursue some of the same social assistance policies mentioned last night — British Columbia and Alberta, two of Canada’s most reactionary jurisdictions when it comes to working people and people in need.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   As the member knows, we’re still in the consultation program on this, but what I indicated last night at the Anti-Poverty Coalition’s annual general meeting was that our government was examining the issue of raising social assistance rates for a number of categories. Those categories are: persons with disabilities, single parents and couples with children. That’s where we’re at, but it must be mentioned that our rates are the highest, or some of the highest, in Canada.

We’re examining where we can place more money for the good of Yukoners who have to fall back on our social safety net. We’re doing the work that is required of us, and the member is trying to take exception with certain parts of it. Let due process be followed. Let us go out and do the consultation process. Let’s examine this. I welcome the member opposite to join the consultation program.

Mr. Hardy:   I will take him up on that offer because, frankly, last night people were very surprised that there was a consultation process actually happening.

Now, this minister has indicated that it’s already ongoing. Well, I would like to know where the meetings have been happening, whom the minister has been consulting.

Now, the minister told the Anti-Poverty Coalition last night that he would consult on SA changes. That’s a first. No doubt it would be the same as the way he consulted on Macaulay Lodge or on the future of the Thomson Centre. Decide first, consult later. That’s what I heard last night. It was already described what was going to happen.

On March 31, the minister suggested in this House that 70 percent of the Yukon’s SA payments went to single, employable males, 40 years of age or younger, mostly from British Columbia. But according to figures his own deputy gave out at a departmental budget briefing, only 47 percent of SA recipients last year were single, and he confirmed that at the meeting last night. Different stories. Not all were male, not all were from B.C., and not all would be considered employable.

Why is the minister basing social assistance policy decisions on a politically inspired example that doesn’t hold water statistically?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   I didn’t think the member was as good at taking numbers and misrepresenting them, Mr. Speaker, as he is.

The issue is —

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Speaker:   Order please. Take your seat, please.

Speaker:   Did I just not read a statement talking about adverbs, verbs, descriptions of members to all members of the House? Would the minister please carry on.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, I withdraw the statement.

Mr. Speaker, the member opposite has taken the statistics over the entire year. The 77 percent was the statistic for last summer, where the department paid out over $1 million in increased social assistance payments. That went primarily to newly arriving Yukoners, males 40 years of age or under with employable skills. That’s the bottom line.

Mr. Hardy:   The minister is looking to B.C. and Alberta for models, as has been mentioned time and time again. In B.C. there is a welfare time limit. People without kids are limited to two years of social assistance during any five-year period. A similar approach in the United States was a failure. It actually resulted in higher social program costs. In B.C., 40,000 people could be cut off welfare this year when other support programs are being slashed, and there are no plans to increase support systems such as job training, which is so essential. There are many reasons why a single male might not fit this minister’s definition of "employable", but the minister is targeting this one demographic group. Once again, the Yukon Party is pitting people against each other — the poor against the poor.

What is the minister’s estimate of the additional cost to combat increased crime, substance abuse and other social programs that will likely result from a single-minded pursuit of ways to cut the social welfare?

Mr. Speaker, we’re not looking at cutting the social welfare budget; we’re looking at increasing it. Let me make that abundantly clear to the member opposite.

And if the member opposite would have remained at the meeting for its entire duration instead of rushing out toward the end, he would have had the opportunity to hear some of the questions and answers, Mr. Speaker.

The issue is that single, employable rates here in the Yukon are $12,145 per annum. In British Columbia, they’re $6,251 per annum. In Alberta, they’re $4,824 per annum. We have an inward migration of single, employable males who come here, who put a balloon in our system of over $1 million last summer. Those are the facts.

Mr. Cardiff:   I’ve got a multiple choice quiz for the minister responsible for occupational health and safety, so I want him to pay attention, to listen carefully.

Which of the following three pieces of equipment don’t require a licence or certification to operate in the Yukon? a) a 50 cc motorcycle capable of 45 kilometres an hour, b) a power-actuated tool commonly referred to as a Hilti gun; or c) an 80-metre-high tower crane with a lifting capacity of 18 tons in a jib that swings out over city streets?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Those details are not something that are dealt with at the ministerial level. Could the member opposite pose a question that deals with policy, legislation or the financial envelope surrounding these issues?

Mr. Cardiff:   It shows what the minister knows about the occupational health and safety rules. We know that the Workers’ Compensation Act review is stalled, and the minister is trying to ignore the occupational health and safety regulations that he doesn’t seem to know anything about because they have been gathering dust under his desk for 18 months.

But the minister just spoke about the need to reduce injury and death in the workplace in the tribute today, on this Day of Mourning. Now, the minister is ignoring four years of consultation, consensus-building by stakeholders to develop occupational health and safety regulations that reflect a modern workplace.

Will the minister now implement the occupational health and safety regulations without further delay to make workplaces safe and to save lives?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   With respect to the legislation, the act that is being reviewed, we are going further than has been done in a long time by any government. We are fully committed to a review of the Workers’ Compensation Act.

With respect to the occupational health and safety regulations, which is another piece of legislation that governs this area, we are moving forward, and various aspects of these regulations will be dealt with by Cabinet this next month.

Now, that said, I want to make it abundantly clear that the current existing occupational health and safety regulations are in place. They are well-founded and they are protecting the workers in the workforce currently to a great degree. They are currently in place and they will remain in place until changes are brought forward.

Mr. Cardiff:   The minister should know that the current OH&S regulations are very old. They’re almost 20 years old. Both the City of Whitehorse and Dawson have shown leadership in workplace safety by banning smoking in the workplace. The minister should show the same kind of leadership by passing a regulation banning smoking in all workplaces as provided for in section 102 of the act. By doing so, he could reduce workplace illness and future liabilities for WCB for future claims and the liabilities they’ll be under for those claims for second-hand smoke in the workplace and the injuries and illnesses that those people would suffer from. But also, he should be concerned as the Minister of Health and Social Services about saving medicare costs and lives. Why will the minister not save lives and money and pass an effective regulation eliminating this hazard from the workplace territory-wide?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   The member opposite knows full well that all government buildings are smoke-free. He must know it because he used to have to go outside for a cigarette on a regular basis. So that said, the issue is being dealt with at the municipal level. He knows full well what is occurring within the City of Whitehorse and within the community of Dawson. These are issues being dealt with at the municipal level and all government buildings are smoke-free currently and will remain that way. No one is envisioning any changes in the area of how the government treats its buildings.

Ms. Duncan:   I have some questions for the minister responsible for the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board. Last summer, the ministerial-selected chair of the board went on a trip to Vancouver on board business. The chair’s appointment was the subject of controversy in the House, and now this journey on board business and on the public dollar has also become controversial. I’ve written several letters to the minister asking him to provide a list of expenses for the chair’s Vancouver trip. The minister has refused to provide this information. Why is this open and accountable government refusing to make this information — about the expenditure of taxpayers’ dollars, public funds — public?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   What the member opposite is trying to suggest is that there is a misspending of funds by the chair of the board, and what the member opposite is —

Some Hon. Member:   Point of order, Mr. Speaker.

Speaker:   The leader of the third party, on a point of order.

Ms. Duncan:   Is the member suggesting that I implied motive in the question? That is not what I did, and I would respectfully request that the member abide by the ruling delivered earlier today. I did not suggest there had been a misspending of funds, as stated by the minister opposite. I asked for an accounting of funds.

Speaker:   The member has a point of order. I’d ask the minister not to make that reference.

Carry on, please.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Mr. Speaker, what the member opposite is referring to is a meeting that was attended by all members of the board and their officials in Vancouver. It’s an annual meeting and it’s held in various jurisdictions across Canada. This year, all of the various workers’ compensation boards across Canada will be meeting right here in the Yukon, and what the member opposite is referring to is a purchase order that was raised for some $17,000. That was for the costs of rooms for all the staff and all the board members for — I believe it was just over a week, when they were attending this conference. It was at conference rates in Vancouver; it was budgeted and approved within the appropriate system, and …

Speaker:   Thank you, minister.

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   … they adhered to policies.

Ms. Duncan:   What I asked the minister for and what I wrote the minister and asked for was a public accounting of this trip to Vancouver by the chair of the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board, and the minister has just said by others.

Now, in February of this year, the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board issued a new policy. They are now subject to the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act. Will the minister provide the expenses — all of them — related to this trip, or do we have to file under the ATIPP act, the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, or are we to be simply satisfied with his statement in the House? Will he provide all of the accounting and let members of the opposition and the public decide for themselves?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   The information has just been provided to the member opposite, Mr. Speaker.

Ms. Duncan:   Well, Mr. Speaker, as we began this new year, the Premier was interviewed in one of the local papers, and he talked about how he regretted that the government had not been as cooperative as it could be during the last session of the Legislature. He vowed as a New Year’s resolution he would try to work more cooperatively with the opposition. What we just saw, unfortunately, was that the minister responsible for the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board wasn’t listening to the Premier’s comments; he wasn’t listening to his boss. The minister is only listening to himself.

I wrote respectfully and asked the minister responsible for the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board for complete, detailed accounting of the travel expenses incurred by the chair and members of the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board on this business trip — this public expenditure of funds to Vancouver. He has refused to provide the information. He has refused to answer whether or not I have to apply under the access to information to get a complete accounting. He says his answer in the House is good enough.

Speaker:   Order please. Would the member ask a question.

Ms. Duncan:   Certainly. Will the Deputy Premier, the minister responsible for the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board, supply the complete information regarding that trip to the opposition?

Hon. Mr. Jenkins:   Well, Mr. Speaker, I just have. What the member opposite is referring to is a trip to Vancouver, and this annual general meeting of all of the workers’ compensation boards across Canada is held annually in a different jurisdiction. It was in Vancouver this last year. The member is referring to a $17,000 purchase order that was issued to a hotel in Vancouver for all the members of the board, the chair of the board included, and all the officials from the department to attend this annual general meeting. The expenses adhered to the complete policy of the government with respect to per diems and everything else. I’ve provided the member opposite with my assurance and the assurance of the Workers’ Compensation Health and Safety Board in that regard. What the member opposite is referring to is that the chair of the board was accompanied by his spouse. Any incremental costs for the accompaniment of the spouse were picked up and paid for by the chair of the board.

Mr. Hardy:   The Premier likes to boast about all the economic stimulus his record-sized capital budget is providing, so I’d like to ask him a simple question: what is the Premier doing to ensure that Yukon workers and Yukon employers will benefit the most from this public spending instead of workers and companies from Outside?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   First I want to put something on the record that I think is important in regard to the leader of the official opposition’s question. This member and this government do not boast. In fact, we’re quite humbled by the challenges ahead of us in dealing with the issues of this territory, specifically around the economy. Now having said that, I think it’s clear in our budget that where we’re investing our money is ensuring that we maximize the benefits that are retained for Yukoners. I will go on to say that our approach to partnering with First Nations in the economic development of this territory will even enhance our ability to retain maximum benefits on behalf of the Yukon citizens.

Mr. Hardy:   I don’t think the member opposite answered the question I asked. As a matter of fact, I think he avoided it. I wonder why.

Now, I don’t what to pussyfoot around this. We get calls on a regular basis from Yukoners who are wondering who is on the Yukon Party government’s favoured list and who isn’t. We’re also getting calls from people who are wondering if this government has any kind of Yukon hire or any kind of Yukon purchase hire policy left. Can the Premier tell us the current status of Yukon hire and Yukon purchase policies under this government — are they alive, dead, or are they on life support?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   It’s interesting to see the official opposition make light — in fact, try to be humorous — about the very difficult situation the Yukon found itself in upon this government taking office in 2002. Having said that, we have proceeded with implementing our plan and vision for the territory and its economy. We’ve already seen positive indicators that show that the trends are heading in the right direction and, of course, already maximizing benefits and ensuring that locally we get the most out of what we invest in — it’s happening today, Mr. Speaker.

Let’s look at a tangible example. When there was an issue at the multiplex in regard to the business incentive policy, this government acted and made sure that policy was implemented. That ensures that in one of the biggest capital projects ever undertaken in the City of Whitehorse, we are ensuring that local hire is taking place and maximizing benefits for Yukoners. That’s our commitment; that’s what we’re delivering on.

Mr. Hardy:   I would like to remind the Premier across the way that it was Yukon contractors, labour groups and members of the official opposition on this side who fought to have that category D put in on the multiplex and forced this government to acknowledge that and finally come out, after weeks of dilly-dallying, to do it.

Previous Yukon governments have been prepared to defend local preference policies, Mr. Speaker, in the event they were challenged by other jurisdictions. Previous governments have sought out northern exemptions from national agreements on internal trade. Our neighbouring jurisdiction, the Northwest Territories, has had preferential hiring policies in place for some time, and Nunavut has been developing local hire policies and they’re so committed to that they’ve hired people from this territory to do that — people who worked on the Yukon hire.

Now we have heard the Yukon government has abandoned its earlier position with respect to the agreement on internal trade. Can the Premier confirm this, and can he tell us how the Yukon’s position on preferential hire and purchase compares to the other two northern territories?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   Our position is the same. It’s of the highest priority. Every province and territory has agreed to the process, when it comes to internal trade, for many reasons. Furthermore, even today, because of the commitment to that priority of local hire and ensuring Yukoners will benefit from what takes place north of 60, we have today people benefiting from oil and gas development in the Northwest Territories. That’s a clear example of how we’ve managed to break down the barriers and ensure that our people, our citizens, are benefiting from investment in the north.

Mr. McRobb:   I’d like to follow up with the acting Environment minister on a matter raised on Monday. As he’s aware, the first four renewable resource councils don’t have an operating budget because the 10-year funding agreement with the federal government ran out a month ago. Many of the council offices are forced to cope with severe budget limitations, causing them to reduce their operations or even close their doors.

The inaction from this government to secure continued funding is indefensible. This was an incoming issue that was blipping on the radar screen for years, yet this government was unable to intercept it in time. Can the acting minister tell us how he intends to resolve this funding problem?

Hon. Mr. Fentie:   As this is a matter now being dealt with by the Executive Council Office, it’s important to note that the member is incorrect in the assertion that it hasn’t been dealt with. In the first place, this is a responsibility. The obligation is with the federal government. There is no question about that. The Yukon government is merely the agency through which the federal government flows funds to the renewable resource councils.

The Yukon government, in realizing that the federal government was not living up to that obligation, has negotiated an extension of the existing agreement until we can resolve the longer term issues. Therefore, resource councils can now go forward to seek funding contribution agreements with Canada to ensure that resource councils will continue to operate in the next year while we work with First Nations to ensure Canada lives up to its obligations.

Mr. Fairclough:   My question is for the Minister of Education. The Yukon Party government decided to open up the Yukon native teacher education program to the general public before doing any new evaluation of that program. The Minister of Education chose not to consult with First Nations, even though the YNTEP was fought for by First Nations chiefs and you would think they should be the first to be consulted.

Now, this program was to bring Yukon First Nation teachers into the school system to match the percentage of First Nations in the population.

Let’s look at some numbers. For the past 10 years, there were 71 graduates and only 28 are working in the Yukon system today. That’s misleading for those entering the program who think they will get a job with the Yukon government. So why is the Yukon Party government opening up this program if they are hiring only such a small portion and percentage of the graduates?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   I’d like to start out by addressing this issue and saying that this is about unity. This is about bridge-building in the territory, about working together with the First Nations and the non-First Nations of the territory.

I will state that through the eyes of the Creator everyone is equal. To have this division is very unfortunate and has been unfortunate.

Through my tours of the communities, it was brought to my attention by several families that it was creating division within the families of the Yukon Territory. I say that because a lot of the First Nations are married to non-First Nation people, both male and female. I’ve had comments like: "My children are status but I can’t take this course." In the other sense, I heard from families saying, "My husband, just because he’s non-First Nation, can’t provide for me because he can’t take a course at the College that’s right here in the territory. He has to leave, or we have to pack up and move, for him to go to get the same education that’s offered to others in the Yukon." That, I think, is more about unity.

Mr. Fairclough:   That’s an incredible answer, Mr. Speaker, and I’m hoping the minister would go back and look at that and really research why YNTEP was put together, its mandate and so on, and perhaps he’ll get a totally different picture when he talks to the First Nations around the territory.

Let’s continue; let’s talk about division and so on. It’s tough for YNTEP grads to get employment from this Yukon Party government. Let’s look at the last couple of years, for example. In 2002, there were seven graduates. And how many were hired? None. Is that unity, or is that division, or what?

In 2003, there were four graduates. How many were hired? Only one, Mr. Speaker. Now, I would say that the Yukon Party gets an F for that report card. With that type of bad track record, why doesn’t the minister improve the hiring process before he dilutes the pool of Yukon First Nation teachers even further?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   Well, Mr. Speaker, I am shocked by that response. I’d like to put on record that as of 2003, there have been 75 grads, 34 are employed in teaching in the Yukon Territory — 23 teaching in Whitehorse, 11 teaching in the communities — and 23 are employed in other occupations. So, Mr. Speaker, the comments made by the member opposite don’t add up. It’s quite obvious that First Nations are being employed.

I want to state, Mr. Speaker, that just because one is not employed as a teacher, it does not mean that four years of college was a waste of time. I have to say they’re all valuable, because they now are able to go into other areas within First Nations in particular in director positions and in other high profile positions within First Nation governments. There are some working at the College and other areas within government, so I’m quite proud of the program and of all the First Nation people who have successfully completed it.

Mr. Fairclough:   Well, Mr. Speaker, the whole idea of having the program was to put First Nation teachers in the schools so they can bring forward their background, their culture, their traditions as part of the teachings, and this government chose not to hire any of them. One out of 11 — that’s a bad record. Why isn’t the minister addressing that whole issue? He is straying further away from the intention of what the program was all about, and it’s all about hiring Yukon people, too, Mr. Speaker.

There are 408 teachers in the system and 28 are YNTEP grads. That’s 6.9 percent of our teachers — a far cry from 30 percent plus, where we should be at by population.

Here’s a chance for the minister to support our programs that we have put in place for the YNTEP teachers and so on. There are 11 graduates this year — that’s a high number. Will the minister ensure that all 11 graduates in this year get a job in the school system?

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   I would have to say to the member opposite that it would be unrealistic for any government to guarantee that everyone who went to the College was going to go to work for the government, so why would the member opposite expect this minister to make a commitment on any one particular program? It can’t be done, and I would say today that the background that the member opposite talks about is valuable and this program is very credible.

Mr. Speaker, just recently over the radio, you heard of one individual again who has obtained a master’s degree from going through this program, so it is very credible and I would like to put on record that I believe it’s of benefit for any citizen to take this program.

With all the First Nation culture that’s involved in it, it would be an asset for First Nation and non-First Nation people alike to take this program. I’m quite aware of it. Being a First Nation person myself who is well over 50 years of age, I know that a lot of our First Nation people don’t even know their own culture.

Speaker:   The time for Question Period has now elapsed, and we’ll proceed to Orders of the Day.

Speaker:   Opposition private members’ business. Motions other than government motions.

Clerk:   Motion 231, standing in the name of Ms. Duncan.

Speaker:   It is moved by the leader of the third party

THAT this House urges the Yukon Party government to introduce a teacher school supply tax credit in recognition of the fact that teachers purchase materials to enhance learning in the classroom.

Hon. Mr. Edzerza:   I would like to have the House join me in welcoming Ian Oostindie, who is president of the Yukon Teachers Association and is in the gallery.

Ms. Duncan:   I appreciate the Minister of Education introducing Mr. Oostindie, who is here on behalf of the Yukon Teachers Association and with whom I’ve had several conversations regarding this teacher school supply tax credit.

I’m very pleased to rise today and to have introduced this motion and to seek the support of my colleagues in recommending this action to the Government of Yukon. Seeking a tax credit for the supplies purchased by our teachers is especially timely today. Yukoners engaged in their very busy lives are glancing at the clock and realizing that April 30 is the deadline for filing our taxes, and it’s just a few short days away.

I’d like to speak for a moment if I might personally and relate to each one of us in this Legislature. Each one of us as a member of the Legislature is paid a salary. A portion of our salary, called an indemnity, is tax free, and that’s the same for all legislators across the country. It’s not something unique to the Yukon. It’s part of federal tax law that we receive this, in effect, tax benefit. It recognizes that for each of us there are costs of doing our job, essentially, and there are costs in being a member engaged in service to the public. As members, we all support organizations in our riding and throughout our territory. We buy tickets; we purchase whole tables at events — thanks to your lead, Mr. Speaker — and we do what is expected of us as citizens in the territory.

We don’t get a separate expense allowance for these purchases. We do it because it’s the right thing to do and they are also considered expenses under our tax-free portion of our money, our salary. In business it would be called the cost of doing business.

As I said, this tax-free part of our salary is part of the federal tax law and it’s not unique to the Yukon. It’s the same for all of us as legislators throughout Canada. The point is that we, as legislators, get a tax break for the cost of doing our jobs, our business, and it’s very similar to what I’m proposing the Yukon government adopt for teachers.

I’d just like to speak for a moment about the Yukon tax structure, if you will. Under our term in government, we introduced a piece of legislation at the request of the Canadian Customs and Revenue Agency, the body that collects our taxes and deals with taxes, that changed the way income tax was dealt with in the territory. The change made us go to a tax on income, as opposed to a tax on tax, and what that change did was bring us in line with all the other provinces. Previously the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency administered two tax systems: one for the north of 60 and one for the provinces. This legislation we worked with the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency, as a government, to bring in made our tax structure more in harmony with the others.

The other by-product, though, of that work is it enabled the Yukon government a greater flexibility. The Yukon government has the ability, thanks to that work, to introduce innovative tax measures like the teacher school supply tax credit more easily than they could in the past. We moved forward, as a territory, and we have a greater ability than we had before.

Some of those tax measures we deal with all the time in the Legislature are things like, in terms of the revenue side, raising taxes on cigarettes.

All 13 premiers agreed in January 2002 to raise taxes on cigarettes to reduce the incidence of people smoking. And, as all smokers appreciate, it’s prohibitively expensive. That’s the sort of thing we were able to do more easily as a result of that tax measure, and it’s something where the tax system is used to make a policy statement — to shape public opinion, to work with government and the public as one, working to, in this case, try to prevent people from starting smoking. That’s on the revenue side.

On the foregone revenue side, governments have the ability to introduce tax measures that give credit for work done by individuals. For example, in the Yukon, we have tax credits for research and development for businesses and individuals, we have tax credits for contributions to political parties, and we have tax credits for the mineral exploration industry. We’ve debated that, and successive governments have brought in the legislation, extended it and so on.

We also, in the Yukon, provide relief from fuel oil taxes for tourism initiatives, for mining, for farming, for trapping, and — brought in by the current government — for golf courses. So, there is a relief provided for golf courses and the use of their fuel.

Governments provide tax breaks. They collect tax revenues and shape public policy. They provide tax breaks and recognize contribution by industry, by individuals, by business. What I’m asking in the motion today is that we extend this and recognize the work of Yukon’s teachers.

Why the tax system? Well, Mr. Speaker, what I, especially as a member of the Legislature and a Yukoner, respect and appreciate about using the tax system to recognize industries and recognize professions is that it’s fair to everyone. It doesn’t reward the best grant writer, and it doesn’t single out one business over another. It’s fairly applied across the board to those who choose to apply for it. So it’s fair to everyone. And, Mr. Speaker, in the case of the school supply tax credit, it is especially fair to everyone because a teacher is very clearly defined in our Education Act, and a teacher can subsequently qualify for this tax credit.

So the question becomes, well, do we really need it? Is there a need to do this? I say, yes, there is. And I say that based on clear evidence. I would like to remind legislators and the listening public of an article that appeared in early January in the Yukon News. The article is about a survey done by the Yukon Teachers Association, a survey of their some 700 members, Mr. Speaker. What the Teachers Association did is they followed up on a poll that was done by the Canadian Teachers Federation to find out how much money teachers as individuals, as professionals, are spending each year on enhancing the learning opportunities for our children. What was revealed through this survey was that individual Yukon teachers spend an average of $500 of their own money on their classroom materials, on working with students, on enhancing the learning opportunities for children.

And Yukon teachers are very generous. We are only slightly below the national average of expenditure by teachers of $593 per year. That’s the national average. We are about sixth in the country in terms of the amount of money spent by our teachers.

It should also be noted, Mr. Speaker, that nearly 95 percent of Canada’s teachers contribute some of their own money to enhancing the learning opportunities for children in their classroom and school-related activities.

I know, in addressing this motion this afternoon, that every member of this House will be able to share examples of some of what teachers spend on students, and I’d like to share some of that. I’d like to start and use this opportunity to recognize our local businesses throughout the territory. Businesses such as Food Fair and Super A are very supportive of our classrooms, our schools and our community. I understand there are many other businesses that offer a discount when teachers go in and indicate that the materials they’re purchasing are to be used on behalf of the school.

I should also say that there are resources provided by the Department of Education and by the Government of Yukon. There are resources provided and they are significant. Our Education budget is significant, and it depends on each individual school and the principal or administrator how those are spent. So teachers are already provided with some resources, depending on how they are administered in the school. An example would be for camera film — many teachers take the opportunity to provide students with a photographic record of their year in school and of the special events that their class has participated in.

So, the film and developing for those pictures can be part of what the school provides. It can also be part of what the teacher spends money on.

Some of the other examples of how teachers contribute personally financially to their classrooms — and there are many, many examples — but just a couple of them: puzzles and tangrams, or what teachers refer to as manipulatives, enhance the learning opportunities and the ability of children to learn math concepts. Another example of learning math concepts is, at the elementary level, children learn about money and the value of a nickel and a quarter and a dime and a loonie. Often teachers, in my experience, have set up small stores in their classroom so that a student can learn how to make use of money and what it will purchase. There are small consumable items like stickers and small balls and other small consumer items. The student is learning about money. The teacher has paid for all of that out of his or her own pocket, and teachers — I haven’t encountered any who don’t buy additional books for their classroom. I could spend all afternoon speaking about some of the wonderful books that are available for children — and we’re not allowed props in the Legislature, much as I would like to share some of the interesting ones that I have encountered. These books, anything from Magic Tree House made available in the elementary grades to many others, encourage literacy in our children, encourage our children to pick up books and develop a love of books. The teachers have purchased these additional books, over and above the library resources provided by the Department of Education, out of their own pockets and made them available to children in the classroom.

It’s not only at the elementary level. At the high school level, I note teachers subscribe to particular magazines that enhance the learning opportunities for children and for young high school students. Another example, again at the elementary level, are things like recognition of children’s birthdays throughout the year, momentous occasions like the Tooth Fairy and a Tooth Fairy log. Pencils, erasers — often children who have reached a particular level, an achievement, in terms of learning math concepts or reading a certain amount, receive a small reward such as a pencil or an eraser.

Those all serve to enhance learning opportunities that teachers buy out of their own pocket and contribute.

I’d like to just speak briefly about one particular unit, to emphasize this point, that is done in a grade 1 class I’m familiar with. This class spends three or four weeks or so on a unit about pirates. Now, how are pirates enhancing the learning opportunities? Well, there is language, and the poetry and the art of drawing pictures of pirates, of learning and memorizing the poems. There is money — learning measurement. There is a difference in values. There is what was recognized as important in the days of the pirates and considered valuable and what is considered valuable today.

It’s history, it’s comparison and contrast. It’s animals. It’s learning about which animals were kept as pets, then and now. It’s also food storage. Look how far we’ve come in what we eat. It’s mapping. It’s physics. And the teacher teaching that particular unit has, out of her own pocket, purchased some of the items for the store in money measurements, has materials to enhance the learning about parrots and monkeys and the animals and has purchased, as part of the celebration and learning and the food storage, food opportunities, always bearing in mind that we have to be ever mindful of the potential for allergies.

In teaching this particular unit, one year the teacher brought in different samples of fish for students to try.

All things that enhance the learning opportunities for children, and all expenditures out of that teacher’s own pocket, that made that classroom not only an exciting, interesting place for the children, but made them want to come back to school the next day. That is an incredible gift. That is just one example of one particular unit where teachers spend out of their own pockets, enhancing the learning opportunities and making our classrooms an incredibly rich learning environment and an enticing learning environment for children.

In approaching legislation, we as elected members of the public have to ask ourselves a series of questions. One of them that we have to ask when we look at public policy is: is it fair to everyone? In the case of the teacher school supply tax credit, absolutely it’s fair to everyone. It’s fair in terms of overall public policy. Certified teachers would all be eligible. Do we do it for others? Absolutely. We recognize the contribution of the tourism industry in a break on their fuel oil tax. We recognize the contribution of golf courses and their fuel oil tax. They get a tax break. We recognize the mineral exploration industry. We recognize small business. Business has a tax credit. I’m asking the House today and the Yukon government to bring forward this teacher supply tax credit. I didn’t put a time frame on it in the motion. I’m really asking the House to support this idea.

Can it be done, is the next question. Absolutely, it can be done. The example I have provided in the past to the Premier is that Prince Edward Island has the teacher school supply tax credit. In preparing for this motion — doing my homework, so to speak — I took the opportunity to speak with the individuals in Prince Edward Island and to take a look at the tax form. How hard is it to fill out? Is it cumbersome? How hard is it to administer? Is it difficult? Well, it’s very straightforward, and I would invite all members to have a look at Prince Edward Island’s teacher school supply tax credit guidelines. The purpose of it, Mr. Speaker, if you would permit me to just share this with my colleagues in the Legislature, is to recognize the fact that teachers do purchase materials to enhance learning in the classroom, or the learning environment itself. The eligibility is teachers as defined in the P.E.I. School Act. So how do you claim the credit? It’s a one-page form.

It’s a record of expenses.

Now, what’s eligible? Well, in Prince Edward Island, bulletin board decorative items, so borders and illustrations — we see those in our local stores — construction paper and bristol board, posters with instruction — we have all seen those, as well — perishable items for science experiments — seeds are a good example of that, so that would include potting soil, stir sticks, straw, spaghetti for building structure, and we have all seen at the annual bridge-building competition the sticks that students use in that bridge-building competition, and those would be an eligible expense — specialized art supplies, games and puzzles, supplementary books, stickers or motivational items. Support software is also included in the P.E.I. tax credit, as well as containers or banker boxes. Teachers who have spent a lot of time in their profession accumulate a great deal of these materials and it’s important to be able to store them appropriately. And the form itself is, interestingly enough, signed off by the principal, as well. So there are checks and balances, if one wishes to term it that, in terms of the teacher tax credit.

So a question becomes: is it affordable for the Yukon government to do this? Absolutely, it’s affordable. Tax credits —

Sorry, Mr. Speaker. Before I move on from the Prince Edward Island tax credit, I should say that I have been advised by the Canadian Teachers Federation that to date it is only Prince Edward Island that has this. That is the reason this is the only model that I have chosen to speak about today. Other jurisdictions have talked about putting this into a collective bargaining type of arrangement with their teachers. However, I strongly recommend the tax credit system, because then it’s fair. It’s not on the table year after year at a collective bargaining situation. It’s something that is recognized across the board.

So I do feel very strongly that the tax credit system is the way to go. Is it affordable? Yes, it is. And how so? Even if this Yukon Party government did not have the largest budget and a significant amount of resources, I would still feel that it’s very affordable, and the reason being that I used an example for a Yukon benefit to an individual teacher and tried to put together some preliminary costs, and there are tax experts in our own Department of Finance who could do this far quicker and far better than I am able to, but I do estimate it to be absolutely affordable. I’ll give you an example of what the benefit would be to an individual teacher in implementing the teacher school supply tax credit using the Prince Edward Island example.

So using a Yukon personal income tax rate of, say, 11 percent — and assuming that a teacher claimed the full expenses, and it’s $500 that is the deductible amount in Prince Edward Island and that I’m suggesting, as well — the credit would be $55 less in taxes paid by the teacher. It’s not a large tax break; it’s therefore not a large amount of foregone revenue — not in terms of a $705-million budget. It does, however, recognize symbolically the important personal financial contribution by teachers to their classrooms. I feel very strongly that this is an important measure to take. I’m asking all members of the House to support this particular initiative.

I would like to address for a moment, if I might, before concluding, how I came to bring this motion forward. Some members opposite may say, "Well, if it’s so important, why didn’t you do it when you were in government?" We worked on the tax system, brought forward the CCRA changes. We were not in office at a time when this idea came out and when it was suggested and when I did the homework on it.

It simply hadn’t occurred to us yet as a good idea, and had it, I certainly would have supported it. So that’s why it wasn’t brought forward during our term in office. We had the ability for a short time. We did some other tax work. We didn’t do this one; it hadn’t come forward to us yet. It did come forward as part of the research highlighting the survey by the Yukon Teachers Association, and I suggested it to the government, did the homework and wrote a letter to the Finance minister. The Finance minister has thanked me for the letter and said that, while they’re aware of the credit and it would be given consideration, and he appreciates the suggestion, there’s no clear indication when it might come forward.

Why I’m bringing forward the motion today is to highlight the suggestion I’ve made and to ask members to support it and to ask members, during the coming days and the next budget preparation, to join me in lobbying their colleague, our colleague as a member of this Legislature, to introduce this very good initiative for teachers. It is fair in terms of overall public policy. It can be done within the Yukon tax structure, and we have a very good model from Prince Edward Island to follow. It is affordable, and it recognizes the contribution made by teachers.

We have the supporting evidence, if you will, that Yukon teachers do spend an average of $500 of their own money on students, on the learning environment. We know and have seen the evidence of the strong support for our students not only in government public expenditures but by the private sector as well. We see the business support. I would like to recognize the contribution of our professionals to our children, to our Yukon learning environment. I’ve outlined briefly some of the expenditures by teachers and my own experience with how some of the teachers spend their own money in enriching the learning environment.

I apologize that I have dwelt more on the elementary side of the equation, but that’s where my current familiarity is, and I see these expenditures by these teachers every single day and appreciate that they have made them, and I would like to ask other Yukoners to recognize that as well by supporting this motion this afternoon.

I thank the House very much for the time; I thank Mr. Oostindie for attending today, and look forward to my colleagues’ remarks in the Legislature.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Rouble:   Mr. Speaker, it’s my honour and my pleasure to rise today to discuss and debate this motion, and I’d also like to welcome Mr. Oostindie. It’s always a pleasure to have members of the public join us in our Assembly.

I’d like to personally thank the leader of the third party for bringing forward this motion and bringing our attention to the issue. It’s an important issue. Teachers are incredibly important to our society, to our system, to our culture, to our way of life, and personally I don’t think we can do enough to thank them.

This is a really interesting motion: that the House urges the government to introduce a teacher school supply tax credit in recognition of the fact that teachers purchase materials to enhance the learning in a classroom.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to share a little bit of my personal background with the members opposite. I was — am — a coach, a teacher, an educator. I have been a substitute teacher. I have had the pleasure of teaching kindergarten, grade 2, grades 7 and 8. Notice I didn’t include the preface "had the pleasure" of teaching grades 7 and 8 — the "challenge" of teaching grades 7 and 8 — and high school.

I have co-taught a course at Yukon College. I have an interesting side note about teaching up there when I taught the Business 132 course, the marketing management course. I co-taught the course with another instructor, and the College initially only wanted to provide us with one text book for the two teachers, so they thanked me for coming out to teach the course and offered to sell me the text book for $47.50.

I have spent three and a half years at Dana Naye Ventures, teaching business planning courses, marketing courses, sales courses, computer courses and the like, and I personally know what it’s like to spend money out of my own pocket on course materials and supplies. I’ve probably got the receipts at home to prove it.

My background also includes national coaching certification program accreditation. I used to coach Special Olympics and went through the NCCP program to receive accreditation. For those of you who haven’t tried it — although I know just about every member in our Assembly has volunteered for some organization or another — coaching Special Olympics is one of the most rewarding experiences of one’s life. The joy of working with those athletes and seeing their accomplishments and helping them accomplish their goals — those are some of the images I will treasure forever.

One in particular — I worked with a young lady who had vision problems. She couldn’t see, as well as having developmental disabilities. I taught her how to play basketball. By the end of it, she could make about 50 percent of her free throws, which was a tremendous accomplishment for me, let alone for her. It’s a wonderful experience coaching and working with our youth.

Additionally, I possess a B.C. provincial instructor’s diploma. I’ve taken all of the courses and done all of the certification necessary to receive that accreditation, so that’s one of the requirements that is necessary to teach community college. It’s the learn-how-to-become-a-teacher course. Additionally, I have my master’s degree in business administration. It’s not just an ordinary MBA; my master’s degree is in executive management, but it was for a specific niche group. It’s for educational administrators. I’ve ended up with a diploma about this long, but it’s a master’s in business administration in executive management for educational administrators. So I’ve done an awful lot of work with educators and educational administrators. I know what it’s like to spend my own money on courses and training.

Additionally, I’d like to share a little bit of my family history. I come from a family of teachers. My aunt was a college professor, my uncle was a high school principal, and my mother was a teacher, a primary school teacher. Her specialty was primary special education. When I was about 11 years old, unfortunately my parents got divorced, so all of a sudden we found ourselves in a single-parent home, three kids, times were tight and there wasn’t a whole lot of money for anything but rent and food. My mother went back to work, so she went back to work being a teacher. That was her profession before; that’s what she knew how to do. She didn’t have her university degree right away. She became a teacher grandfathered in because she had attended teachers college, and it wasn’t a requirement to have a degree when she first started. So she took evening courses, weekend courses, summer courses, intersession courses, to put herself through university to get her degree. I have the utmost pride and respect for my mother to work that hard.

Now, my mother took a lot of pride and satisfaction in being a teacher. She loved it. She put her heart and soul into it. Mom’s classroom was one of those special classrooms that the member opposite discussed earlier. It had all the neat stuff on the walls. It had all of the special pictures. It had all of our old games, all of our old Hardy Boys books and encyclopedia brown books, and the like.

It had some other neat stuff. It had a big, old easy chair in the back corner.

I would put forward that it would be hard to legitimize the purchase of a big, old La-Z-Boy chair as a necessary classroom expenditure. In fact, I would expect that if we had that in the budget, there would be some significant and vociferous debate about that. But it certainly helped out in mom’s classroom. It set the stage. It made it a positive learning environment, one that the kids wanted to come to, one where they felt comfortable, and one that had my mother’s stamp on it. It was her classroom, and she took a lot of pride in it and paid a lot of attention to it.

You know, a lot of the stuff was homemade. Lots of times, all the kids would go in August to help mom decorate her classroom. That meant cutting out letters to put on bulletin boards, cutting out borders, hanging pictures on the walls. She got the stuff wherever she could to decorate her classroom. There was a lot of scrounging.

I remember at the grocery store, after they had had a display with big plastic fruit hanging there or a big, plastic apple or something, she’d often go in and talk to the grocery store manager afterwards and say, "You know, that would look great in my classroom. Do you mind if I go through your dumpster and get it?" There was usually a wink then, and they’d know to put it aside for her, and she’d go in a week or two later to pick it up.

I remember a time when I was 14 or 15, selling Dickie Dee ice cream, riding around on one of those ice cream bikes. We used to give out stickers. At the end of the season, I would collect all of the leftover rolls and rolls of stickers and take them to the school. That’s what the teachers would use to give out. You got a fudgsicle if you did well, and if you did really well you got a phantom or a spacesicle sticker.

Mom took an awful lot of pride, care and attention and we, as a family, did make sacrifices because of that. She would take money out of her own pocket and buy stuff for her classroom.

It’s not fair for a 12-year-old to look at that and say, "Mom, how come you’re buying that when you can’t buy me this." I didn’t understand that when I was a kid. But it was a care and a conviction of my mother. She wanted the classroom to be the best that it could be. She took a tremendous amount of personal pride in it. And I think teachers take a great deal of pride in their profession.

Now, Mr. Speaker, I have a great deal of respect for teachers and think they’re due all of the credit they deserve. It is certainly not an easy profession, but it is a very rewarding one: while having a student come up to you on the street a couple of years after you’ve taught them in a course and say, "Hi, teacher, how are you? That was a great course. I remember the stuff that you did and it really made an impact on me. Thanks very much." While that stuff doesn’t make a dent in your pocketbook, it does warm your soul.

I remember an article I read about one teacher who used to say, "Hang on, this stuff is important, and one day you’ll thank me. And if that day comes and you use this stuff and you make a million dollars, tell you what: you can go out and buy me a Porsche to say thank you." So I’d often use that with my students, as "Hang on, every once in awhile, I’ll toss out some gem that’s actually going to come in handy" and just get them to pause and think, "Okay, this could come in handy and it could help to make me a million dollars." Well, Mr. Speaker, at the end of the course on our graduation day, my class presented me with — yes, you guessed it — a little matchbox Porsche as a way of thanking me. "Yes, the stuff that you’ve taught us has come in handy. It is good stuff. We’ll use it. Here’s your Porsche. Don’t complain any more."

Now, I strongly remember that bit of recognition. I have no idea what my tax return was like that year.

Part of the issue before us is a tax credit. I’ve gone back and done my homework, like all members have on this issue, and I started looking at what the purpose of a tax credit is. It’s typically used when the government wants to encourage a particular behaviour, when it wants to make it more economical for citizens to accomplish something — things usually of very broad social importance. I’m thinking of things like attending college, university or taking care of dependants.

Additionally, tax credits are used to reduce the tax burden on those in need. Tax credits provide tax relief by reducing or eliminating the total tax payable and assist residents with low to moderate income. Those are typically the reasons for a tax credit.

This certainly isn’t a simple subject. I don’t think there’s too much about our tax system that is simple and straightforward. We can discuss that for days. Let’s take a look at some of our Yukon tax credits.

Our tax credits include the basic personal amount. Every person employed in Yukon and every pensioner residing in the Yukon can claim this amount. There is an age amount. If you are over 65 and your income is below $55,000 or so — I’ll round it down — you can receive a tax credit.

There is a pension income tax amount. If you receive regular pension payments from a pension plan or fund, excluding the Canada or Quebec pension plan, Old Age Security and Guaranteed Income Supplements, you get a tax credit. Tuition and education amounts are used as tax credits. These are things like tuition fees. There are some important things to consider in these tuition and education amounts that aren’t tax credits, and those are things like books. Students don’t receive a tax credit for the amount they spend on books or their student fees or purchasing a computer, which some would call a necessity for attending college or university these days. There are a lot of other student costs that those tax credits don’t cover.

Additionally there is a tax credit for those people with disabilities. There is a spouse or common-law partner amount if you support your spouse or common-law partner. There’s a tax credit for eligible dependants, so if you’re responsible for taking care of a dependant or taking care of someone with a disability or who is infirm, if you’re a caregiver there’s a tax credit for that. Additionally, in the Yukon we have the Yukon low income family tax credit, and this credit reduces Yukon tax by up to $300 for low income individuals and families who were residents in the Yukon at the end of the year.

One can claim this credit if one’s net income is less than $25,000.

There’s the Yukon political contribution tax credit. You can deduct part of the contribution — excuse me, one can deduct part of the contribution, or I guess you could, too, Mr. Speaker — if you have made a contribution to a registered Yukon political party or to a candidate seeking election to the Legislative Assembly.

Additionally, we have the Yukon small business investment tax credit. One can claim this credit if, at the end of the year, one is a resident of the Yukon, 19 years of age or older. The credit is equal to 25 percent of the value of eligible shares and subordinated debt that you invest in an eligible Yukon business in 2003. So we do give a tax credit for those people who make investments in eligible Yukon businesses. We have probably seen some of those ads in the paper: invest in this business and you will receive a tax credit. It’s one of those attempts by a government to encourage people to invest more money in local businesses, to increase the amount or the access to capital, and we discussed this a bit yesterday in general debate on how do you increase the access to capital in our community. This tax credit is a tangible way that the territorial government can influence the amount of capital available in the marketplace.

Additionally, Mr. Speaker, we have the labour-sponsored venture capital corporation tax credit where one can claim a credit equal to 25 percent of eligible investments one makes in the fireweed fund corporation in 2003.

Well, this might be on the books, Mr. Speaker, but I think we have some homework to do on this one. We have also discussed the mineral exploration tax credit, where one can claim this credit if one is a resident of the Yukon at the end of the year and has incurred qualified mineral exploration expenses. The expenses must have been incurred during the year to determine the existence, location, extent or quality of mineral resources in the Yukon. And, Mr. Speaker, we also have the research and development tax credit. This is to provide a credit to those Yukoners who have made eligible expenditures for scientific research and experimental development in the Yukon. Now, those are the Yukon tax credits, and that’s what the Yukon territorial government has done to encourage the economy and to accomplish a lot of the goals that we have as a collective.

These tax credits are by no means a simple issue. There is a considerable amount of interplay and interrelationship between our tax credits and the federal system. You know, I think we can make an argument that education is a territorial issue. We could also make an argument that a tax credit of this nature is much broader and has federal or national implications, in which case we would need to take a look at our federal tax credits and perhaps make an addition to the federal tax credits. The federal tax credits include, again, a basic personal credit, where taxpayers are entitled to claim the basic personal credit. We have a spousal tax credit for individuals supporting a spouse whose net income is less than a specific amount. Those people supporting a spouse can claim a tax credit.

That also applies in cases where it’s equivalent to a spouse, those people who, at any time during the year, were single, divorced or separated and supported a qualified relative who lived with and was dependent upon them. The federal system also includes an age credit where individuals age 65 years or older, in that year, are entitled to a credit. The federal system also has a pension credit that’s similar to the Yukon one. Additionally, the feds have a disability tax credit.

Here’s one that’s a bit different, though, Mr. Speaker, and that’s the medical expense credit. This is a federal tax credit, not a territorial one. With the federal tax return, an individual may claim a credit for any non-reimbursed medical expenses. The credit is 17 percent of the expenses in excess of the lesser of $1,637 or three percent of the individual’s net income for the year. Such expenses may be incurred on the taxpayer’s own behalf or that of their spouse. Medical expenses may also be claimed for dependants other than a spouse but, in those instances, the total expenses claimed must be reduced by four times the dependant’s income in excess of $7,231.

As you can see, Mr. Speaker, there’s nothing that’s really too straightforward or simple about these tax credits.

We also have a caregiver tax credit. This reduces federal tax for individuals who are responsible for the in-home care of an infirm, dependant relative or parent or grandparent.

The next one is a charitable donation tax credit. This is quite interesting, because we as a collective in our government have said that it’s a good thing to make contributions and donations to charity. That alleviates some of the burden, some of the responsibility, on the government. The government would like to encourage all taxpayers — all Canadians — to make donations to charitable organizations. Now there are some pretty strict criteria, though, as to what is or isn’t a charitable organization, and care and attention has to be made when going through that application process in proving to the federal government that, yes, you are indeed a charity and are deserving of the ability to give a charitable donation tax receipt.

Also the federal government gives a tuition fee, an education tax credit, and that’s for students — not only full-time students but also part-time students. Those students who are engaged in part-time studies, defined as a minimum of 10 hours of course work in each week in a program lasting at least three consecutive weeks at a designated education institution in Canada, can deduct $60 a month toward eligibility for the 17-percent federal tax credit. Again, there’s nothing simple or straightforward about this.

The student loan interest tax credit is another credit the federal government provides where a 17-percent federal tax credit is available on the repayment of interest on federally or provincially approved student loans.

I wish this had been around the first time I paid back my student loans. It would have made a difference to me. Encouraging past students to pay back their student loans and recognizing the value of their investment is of national importance. Education is of national importance, and that’s why the federal government has provided a lot of these tax credits.

Now, this whole issue of tax credits is a very interesting and complex matter. In fact, I think everyone out there would like to see their tax burden decreased in some manner. I don’t think there is an industry or organization out there that hasn’t lobbied the government, at some time or another, for a tax credit for their profession.

There are many other professions, trades or employment situations where employees purchase work-related equipment or supplies as a matter of course. Some examples I could toss out would be mechanics buying tools to use at work. If they are self-employed and running their own small business, they can either depreciate their tools if they’re of a large enough value or, if it’s an inexpensive tool, consider it as an expense in the year they were acquired and immediately write that off. However, if you are an employee working for a garage and are expected to provide your own tools as a matter of course, you have to use your own after-tax dollars to acquire those tools. And if you were to lose one, you don’t receive any tax break or benefit. You would again have to use your after-tax dollars to acquire the tool again.

Purchasing safety equipment — a lot of industries, professions and careers require the wearing of personal safety equipment. You have to wear steel-toed boots to do the job, or if you wear eye glasses, you might personally invest in safety lenses in your glasses rather than just dealing with regular glass lenses. These have been proposed as possible tax credits as well.

I have also heard it proposed that the purchase of a computer be considered as an allowable tax credit. The rationale behind that is that it is now becoming part of our way of life that having access to a computer is almost a required necessity and that the government should give us a break on purchasing a computer.

Additionally, it has been put forward that apprentice training receives tax credits.

Mr. Speaker, there is no shortage of worthwhile causes that require tax credits. We could make a case for all of these. We could probably make a case for all of us in finding a way to reduce all of our tax burden.

The member opposite did bring forward the P.E.I. legislation and I, too, in doing my homework — and I guess that doesn’t even stop after you get out of school, does it? — took a look at this legislation and made some inquiries about it. It does allow for a tax credit for school-related purchases if an employee — and that’s any person receiving remuneration who reports for work in an establishment of the employer in Prince Edward Island, so I believe that means a teacher but it could probably include some additional support staff as well — goes out and purchases stuff that is in accordance with the guidelines put forward, that fits the descriptions and conditions of allowable supplies — they go out, they purchase this off an approved list, compile the receipt and then have it signed off by the principal. And the school principal, by signature on an approved, completed approval form, gives credit that, yes, this is an allowable expense.

I think we do have to have to have some kind of checks and balances in this system. It would be interesting to find out if my mother’s easy chair would be an allowable expense under this type of thing. It wasn’t a significant purchase, I think she probably found it at a garage sale, but it made a huge impact on her school. And I put forward that she would probably have purchased that — well, she didn’t get compensated for it, so I know she would have done it out of her own pocket. She wanted to make her classroom an inviting, warm, receptive place. She believed strongly enough in that that she was willing to contribute her own money. Again, no one asked her. She did this out of her commitment to the profession which, again, I will commend and admire.

But back to the P.E.I. act, they have entrenched this in legislation by amending their income tax regulations. So the teacher buys the item, ensures that it’s on the appropriate list, keeps the receipt, has the form signed off by the principal and then goes about preparing their taxes, whether they do that on their own or with a tax preparer. And I’m aware that some tax preparers, if you have additional forms or additional tax credit, they’ll add on a fee per form. So it might be, actually, more charges that they would have to pay their tax preparer to handle this one more piece of paper, this additional bit of bureaucratic paperwork, if you will.

While every little bit helps, even if the teacher spent the maximum, the $500, on the expenditure, the impact of that would be about $50 on their tax return. So there is a bit of a point of diminishing returns — how much time are you going to put into collecting all that paperwork and the receipts and sign-off in order to save $50 on your taxes? Yes, I agree that every little bit helps. $50 would have made quite a difference to my mother and to our family in our situation.

With the P.E.I. situation, I understand they’re now strongly considering — if they haven’t already — expanding the program. The program is now being opened up for kindergartens, which I understand are privately run in P.E.I., and daycares. So if a daycare employee were to go out and purchase some equipment or supplies, they would be eligible for this tax credit as well. That is where I see a significant danger with increasing the opportunities for an additional tax credit and opening the door to more tax credits.

A tax credit does encourage a particular behaviour and it makes it more economical for citizens to accomplish something that’s of significant national importance, but it does open a slippery slope as to when do you say, yes, this is a good contribution for the common good, or no, this is a contribution that you’re personally responsible for.

Now, tax credits are part of our broader, overall federal and territorial tax legislation. This is by no means a simple and straightforward system. Earlier, I read out some of the criteria for some of the tax credits. Not only is there the eligibility criteria to figure out, but which portion and what percent. These are complicated issues. I think an awful lot of people leave it up to a tax preparer to deal with.

We could debate all of the changes to our tax system for weeks, if not months, in this Legislature. The tax system is a very complex and convoluted process. One thing I’ve always advocated is that everyone should pay their fair share of taxes. Well, the problem with that is that everyone has their own definition of what "fair share" means. Does a fair share mean that we all pay the same amount? Does fair share mean that we all pay the same basic amount and then compensate for our additional demands on the system by paying user fees? Does fair share mean that we all pay the same percentage of our income? And then the big kicker — should there be some kind of reduction in our taxes if we contribute to the common good? We’ve seen this with tax credits for charitable donations. So, if we do something good for a charity and reduce a need in our collective system, should the government give us credit for that?

Now, that’s very challenging when creating a very specific tax credit. What about if someone volunteers their time for a worthwhile cause? Should that person be given a credit? Let’s look at the idea of going out and volunteering three or four hours a week for an organization. I think all of us in this Assembly have done that on many, many occasions. Some of us consider it our duty, our responsibility, to our society to go out and work with others, to help accomplish some of our community goals. But could we sit down and say, "Well, let’s see. I volunteered for four hours at this organization, my time being worth, let’s see, $25 an hour, so that’s $100 worth of time I gave to that organization. I think the government should give me a tax credit equivalent to $5,200". Now if I had gone out and given $5,200 to an organization, I would expect to receive, for some organizations anyway, a charitable donation receipt, but if I give my time I don’t necessarily expect that. That isn’t how our system is set up to work. So there is, I think, a deeper underlying problem with our tax system. Again, that’s something we could debate in this Assembly for weeks if not months.

I would like to focus on another part of this motion now. The question I want to toss out and hopefully get some more feedback on in debate today is: is this motion solving a problem or is it covering a symptom?

Are we just trying to find an easy way to cover one of the problems with the system, but does it really address the deeper underlying problem, the root problem? And, Mr. Speaker, I put forward that the root problem to this situation that we have found ourselves in is a lack of school funding.

Do we have enough school funding out there to enhance learning in the classroom? Do we have the funding available for all teachers to do their job appropriately, or are we forcing the requirement on teachers to invest in our government’s responsibility?

I would put forward, Mr. Speaker, that the solution to this situation is a greater allocation of resources to the Education department.

Let’s take a look at some of the other options. In order to put more funds into our schools, what can we do? What about the idea of making a school a charitable organization so that when one makes a contribution to a school, one gets a charitable donation receipt? That might be an opportunity, then, if the system could be addressed so that teachers could contribute the goods that they have purchased and receive a charitable donation receipt in kind for that. I toss that out and I’d like to hear other members’ thoughts on that.

Or a rebate system for teachers — so, if a teacher went out and incurred an expense that was on an allowable list and then took that receipt in and had it accepted by the principal, they would receive a full reimbursement of that expenditure, not merely 10 percent of their expenditure, as would happen with this type of tax credit, but compensating the person for 100 percent of the expenditure. I’d like to make it very clear to all members that this type of credit doesn’t compensate individuals dollar for dollar for their expenditure.

In fact, in most cases — and I think the member from the third party brought this up in her presentation today — if the teacher spent the full amount, the full $500, their tax credit would be $55, if my memory serves me correctly from her presentation. So the teacher is still out of pocket $445. So it doesn’t go to addressing the whole problem here.

Another solution is: could we encourage the school councils to become more responsible in these areas, to use some of the school councils’ funding to provide some of these, in many cases, necessary in-class expenditures. We also heard from the member opposite that other jurisdictions have put this type of compensation in their collective agreement. So it’s now an employee/employer relationship, as I think is done in some organizations where employees might get a bonus from their employer for buying safety boots, for example. I have heard of that situation happening, where the employer every six months says, "Here’s $100 toward your safety boots." Now, I’m not saying that every employer does that. I’ve worked for employers where I was just expected to show up on the job site with my steel-toed boots. But I think that is something that I think we could look at in the collective agreement. That would take it out of this realm of changing the whole tax code and increasing the amount of tax credits.

Then, Mr. Speaker, there is the option of increasing the amount of discretionary spending for teachers. That’s an option that we haven’t really looked at, but maybe as part of the employment situation, there could be a dollar value — and I think there already is some form of allowable classroom spending where, at the beginning of the year, the teacher can order supplies up to a certain amount. That has happened in other jurisdictions. I don’t know if that happens here in the Yukon. I look forward to hearing the Minister of Education speak, and hopefully he can address that point — giving the teachers increased discretion over spending for their classrooms.

Again, it would, of course, have to include some checks and balances and an allowable list. I go back to my mother’s chair, and I doubt that that item would be on that list.

Now, I think we also need to accept that the government has a significant responsibility in this issue. It’s the government’s responsibility. It’s one of our collective responsibilities for the education of our young people and the costs incurred in that. So I would put forward the idea that it’s the government’s responsibility to cover off all of these costs. In fact, we, as a collective, as a caucus, have discussed that quite a bit and that’s reflected in our budget. Educating our young people and ensuring that they are learning in an appropriate environment is vital to our territory. And that was part of the argument put forward by the Education minister when he was putting forward the idea and concept of the community needs assessment, where he went out and visited all of the Yukon schools. He got in there on the ground and said, "What do you need? What do you need in your school?"

I had the pleasure of going with the Minister of Education when he went to the Carcross Community School. We sat down with the principal and members of the school council and said, "What do you need?" For a moment, they were a bit taken aback: "Well, what do you mean when you’re asking us what we need?" The minister further explained, "What do you need to make your school a more pleasant place, a place where one can learn better, a place where students want to come to school, a place where people want to come to work." He put forward some criteria and said, "Send me back some ideas. What does your school need?"

They set forward some criteria, and the department has approved some projects. These projects are intended to provide positive impacts on school attendance, retention and achievement of students. They’re intended to enhance the cultural relevancy of current programs and/or facilities in the school. They’re intended to upgrade existing programs and/or recreational facilities provided that this investment created no long-term or ongoing funding obligations, that they created a partnership between the school and the community and that they will have a measurable benefit in the community, and that these proposals will enhance the opportunity in the community for lifelong learning opportunities involving the school, also that these proposals enhance the opportunity for high school apprenticeship programs.

I just want to highlight that one, because that was an area raised I think during the response to the ministerial statement we heard earlier today — what is this government doing to encourage more apprenticeship. Well, there’s another concrete, tangible example of where we have started to create programs to enhance the opportunity for high school apprenticeships. I think these are an awful lot of those things that teachers would have gone out and spent money on themselves for decorating their classroom or their school, or that they would have gone out and worked with the school council to accomplish.

This program has had some tremendous results. In Beaver Creek there was money received for reading materials, for moose hide for cultural projects and educational software where $5,300 was spent in that community.

In Carcross, in the beautiful Southern Lakes riding, the projects that were approved included acquiring digital movie-making equipment. That’s a neat one. The member opposite earlier talked about one of the expenses that was often incurred by teachers: buying and developing film. Here’s an example of where we’ve recognized that, yes, teachers have gone out and taken money out of their own pocket to buy film and develop it. Can we find a way for the school to take that over? With digital movie-making equipment, we now have the ability for the school to take those pictures and capture those images.

Additionally in Carcross, stage curtains with First Nation designs have been ordered, and funds for First Nation cultural activities are being provided. This totals an expenditure of about $18,700.

In the school in Old Crow, a new thickness planer for the shop is going to be acquired, as well as additional sound, computer and sports equipment, totalling $20,000. At Christ the King Elementary School, projects include literacy materials for each classroom — we all need more books in the classroom — as well as various learning materials for math, art, music and physical education.

Again, Mr. Speaker, we have the situation where this program has gone out and acquired additional learning materials. I put forward that those are probably some of the things that teachers were paying for before out of their own pockets. That tallies up to $33,000.

In the school in Faro, in the riding of Pelly-Nisutlin, I know the member there worked quite a bit with the Minister of Education to ensure that additional equipment for the gym, the shop and home economics were acquired and that there was more money for computers and furniture.

Well, there we go, Mr. Speaker; there’s the furniture. Maybe they did get an easy chair for the classroom. I don’t know for sure, but it made a difference in my mother’s classroom, and that total is $20,000.

At l’École Émilie Tremblay, the gymnasium partition worth $25,000 is coming in. At the Elijah Smith Elementary School, there are funds for First Nation cultural activities, literacy and numeracy resources and for AV equipment, and this totals $26,000. At the Eliza Van Bibber School in Pelly Crossing, there are funds for shop materials and tools, materials for home economics, physical education and reading materials — $18,700.

You know, Mr. Speaker, I am really noticing a trend in going through these lists where, when the minister went out and did his needs assessment tour, he was finding out we need a lot of new materials, education materials, sports materials, home economics materials, and the Yukon Party government is coming through with these funds to satisfy those needs — those needs that exist in the community and those needs that have gone unfulfilled by previous governments.

At the F.H. Collins Secondary School and the Wood Street Annex and the Gadzoosdaa residence, there was $145,000 provided for tools and shop equipment, for music equipment, video equipment for MAD — music, arts and drama and dance. There was money for the outdoor equipment for the ACES program and money for lab and outdoor equipment for experiential sciences and upgraded recreational facilities at the residence — $145,000 there, Mr. Speaker.

In Golden Horn, there’s money for math resources, for art tables and supplies, for computers and for a hockey rink upgrade, totalling over $26,000. I’m sure that the Member for Mount Lorne, when he’s talking to the school council and the parents, will hear about how these things are benefiting the school. I would encourage him to find out whether or not they’re necessary things in the school. Do they add to the quality of life there? Are they important? Would the people in that community have wanted to see the government make that expenditure or not?

At Grey Mountain there were additional funds for reading materials and First Nation cultural materials, totalling over $9,000.

In Hidden Valley, there were First Nation cultural materials acquired, various classroom materials and equipment, and they’re going to paint the mascot on the gym floor. That will total over $25,000, I believe.

At the Holy Family school, they’re putting in low-glare lights for the computer lab, putting classroom computers and connectivity equipment in, and bringing in a colour laser printer. This is an expenditure of over $37,000. Again, it’s equipment that’s necessary for the school life, for appropriate education, to engage the learner, to make an experiential activity, to bring spirit and energy to the school, to make it a fun place to live and a fun place to work.

In Mayo they’re putting in a cold-storage shed and gym storage. That’s valued at $30,000.

Jack Hulland is getting computers and literacy materials, totalling $39,000. For the Johnston Elementary School in Watson Lake, there are funds being provided for reading materials, classroom furniture and a photocopier — $25,000. And in Kluane Lake, there is funding for an elder-in-the-school program — that sounds rather interesting — outdoor and sports equipment, a large wall map and a CD player, totalling over $11,000. Porter Creek — excuse me. I missed one in Kluane Lake. They’re also getting a safety buzzer and an intercom system. There is more and more coming for the Member for Kluane. In Porter Creek, there is $83,000 to be used for computers, chairs and music equipment. The Robert Service School is getting an injection of $37,500 for literacy materials, a sound system, a sports shop and classroom equipment. In Ross River, there are funds for a Kaska studies program of $10,000.

I’m sorry, Mr. Speaker, it is taking such a long time to go over this list, but it is a very long and extensive list. This government is doing an awful lot to increase the amount of materials and supplies in the schools. We have recognized a need and we’re making a conscientious, concerted effort to satisfy that. At the St. Elias Community School, there is money for playground equipment and computer equipment. In the Selkirk Elementary School, there is money to clear and thin brush in the playground and put a tetherball in and a basketball court.

At Takhini, there is floor covering replacement valued at $50,000. At the Tantalus School in Carmacks, there is going to be more literacy and numeracy materials acquired, additional science equipment, and a cultural activities fund. I believe the total there is about $25,000. In Teslin, there is money for wood for shop and First Nation cultural programs, for a colour printer, for furniture and classroom equipment.

You know, Mr. Speaker, you look through this list and there is some discrepancy. Some schools are getting quite a bit and others aren’t getting quite as much. I think that reflects the reality that a lot of schools had stuff, and when the minister went into the school and said, "What do you need to make it a better place?" they came out with their list, met the criteria, and now they’re being funded.

At Vanier Catholic Secondary School, there is going to be a shop door installed, more shop equipment purchased, and more music equipment brought in.

In Watson Lake, they are going to acquire a band saw, classroom furniture, woodworking and mechanics tools, and a soundboard and lighting for the theatre.

In Whitehorse Elementary School, they are going to acquire First Nation library resources, English, French and First Nations novels for the classrooms, audiovisual equipment, microscopes, and they’re going to replace the see-saws.

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Mr. Rouble:   There seems to be some discrepancy over whether it’s a teeter-totter or a see-saw. Maybe the members opposite would want to put that forward for a future debate to see which side of the equation we can balance things out on.

This government is doing an awful lot to satisfy a lot of the needs of the students and the teachers in our schools. It’s quite an exhaustive list that I’ve just gone through. I think those items are a lot of the things that teachers traditionally would have dipped into their own pockets to spend money on.

Now there are some other questions that I have about this motion. Overall would it increase or decrease school-related expenditures? Would there be more supplies coming into the school? Would it make a significant difference to the teachers? Again, I want to go back and give credit to the teachers because credit is deservedly due to them, but let’s remember that if this tax credit is maxed out, it would make a difference of $50 to them.

Some Hon. Member:   (Inaudible)

Mr. Rouble:   I stand corrected. I was off by 10 percent — $55. Yes, every little bit does help. I think we need to acknowledge their commitment and their dedication. I think this government did that in part in its recent negotiations on the collective agreement where we came to the table and offered a good deal and negotiated in good faith. I think we’ve shown our respect and our gratitude in that matter.

I think all the members here have attended school council meetings and have met with their schools and have personally said thank you.

Some of the other questions I’d like to see answered are: what would this cost the government and what would the total teacher expenditures be? Some of the other ones are: what impacts would this have if we, the Yukon Territory, changed our legislation? Would that then cause other jurisdictions to look at changing theirs? Are we leading a trend in this? Are there impacts on the federal tax legislation that need to be considered? What about our transfer payment? Is there a problem — if we reduce the income we collect through our taxes, does that have an impact on our transfer payment? What overall effects would this have on our taxation system?

Mr. Speaker, I also have a very significant concern and that is the trend in the tax credit system. If we give a tax credit for this — and yes, I’ll be the first to say this is a worthwhile expenditure to recognize, but I’m very concerned about addressing this problem because I’ve put forward some other solutions as to how it could be addressed, but I’m very concerned about addressing this problem by way of tax credit. I think it starts to open the door to the potential for other tax credits.

We’ve seen that happen in P.E.I. where we have a tax credit now that started off with teachers and now it’s going to kindergartens and daycares.

As a past coach, I know that I spent money on sports equipment, on taking the team out for pizza afterward. Aren’t those expenditures worthy of a tax credit? Mr. Speaker, I think we might be going down a pretty slippery slope if we start putting out additional tax credits to resolve these situations.

Now, Mr. Speaker, what effect would this have on the gross and net tax amounts required to fund our current obligations? If we’re going to find a way to reduce everybody’s taxes, wouldn’t it be simpler just to reduce the tax rate? I don’t think it’s a valuable exercise for us to go through and find every possible tax credit opportunity and to create individual legislation for that if the overall effect is to reduce people’s taxes by $55 or $60. I think we can find broader ways to do that.

And, yes, that might mean tax reform. Tax reform is a complex issue, and it’s not one that we had a mandate to do in this current sitting, but I expect that that would probably be an issue that a Yukon Party government would look at in great detail in future governments.

And also, on the idea of tax credits, Mr. Speaker, the member opposite brought forward the fact that we as members of this Assembly receive a tax-free expense allowance.

So, there’s a portion of our remuneration, our compensation, that we, as members of this Assembly, don’t have to pay taxes on. If I were sitting down making that decision today, I don’t think I’d suppor